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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:57 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Wow. What we have here is a failure to communicate. Can you not understand how a country being entwined by a NATO military python would feel threatened?
Can you not understand how a country with the Baltic Sea on one side and Russia on the other side would feel threatened? Hello Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania?
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Yikes!! Look up the history of France and Germany.
You’re increasingly pathetic with each post. How hard is it to admit that Russia spent the majority of the last 100 years occupying the countries I listed? Don’t deflect with France and Germany. Were not talking about Napoleon. You know exactly who I’m talking about. Baltic states. Eastern Europe. Those are the ones gravitating to nato directly because of Russian aggression.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:04 pm to mmcgrath
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I really hope we hear about Ukraine liberating Kherson soon.
Seeing various reports of this (this tweet from Kevin Rothrock of Meduza):
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Volodymyr Saldo, collaborationist mayor of Kherson, says righthand bank of Dnieper is being evacuated in anticipation of a “large-scale offensive” by Ukrainian forces supposedly to include attacks on upstream dams. These civilians will be given safe passage “deeper into Russia.”
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:05 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:You know it's bad when the only countries voting to support your annexation referendums are your own puppet states (Belarus & Syria) plus North Korea and Nicaragua. A real fearsome coalition.
The Russians have shown absolutely nothing that they could organize a worldwide response on the scale of WWII.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:08 pm to TideCPA
Abstention essentially equals a vote "against"...so unfortunately, there's more than meets the eye with that graph. 40 Countries chose to not be in "favor".
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:16 pm to TigerDoc
Why is Russia telling all residents of Kherson to evacuate today?
While other explanations are possible, I believe the most likely reason is that Russia wants to evacuate its military equipment, and it wants to use residents as human shields.
If there's a barge going across the river with two tanks and 50 civilians, the Ukrainians will not hit that barge.
While other explanations are possible, I believe the most likely reason is that Russia wants to evacuate its military equipment, and it wants to use residents as human shields.
If there's a barge going across the river with two tanks and 50 civilians, the Ukrainians will not hit that barge.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:18 pm to TideCPA
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You know it's bad when the only countries voting to support your annexation referendums are your own puppet states (Belarus & Syria) plus North Korea and Nicaragua. A real fearsome coalition.
The only countries that might legitimately support Russia in the event of a full-on war are Iran, Syria, and Belarus. India has taken a non-aligned stance consistently, and the rest of those countries are barely military powers. China would not risk it because its economy is closely linked to the West's.
Russia may have nuclear weapons, but I'm skeptical of their stated ability to use them fully, given the performance of their battlefield tech currently. Everything about their military has been proven to be overstated to an almost unbelievable degree. The fact they are so loose with the nuclear rhetoric as well as WWIII rhetoric is an indication of the relative desperation of this operation.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:19 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:Not really; it just means they likely wouldn't throw in their lot with either group in the case of a massive escalation. Not every country fought in WW2.
Abstention essentially equals a vote "against"
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:23 pm to mmcgrath
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I really hope we hear about Ukraine liberating Kherson soon. It would be such a key point in the war and it would silence the Putin fluffers for a while.
Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine. Kherson is turning into the Ukrainian version of Mariupol. The Russians are able to get supplies across the river at night by using old BMP which still have amphibious capacity and helicopters flying at tree top level. The Ukrainians are able to use Gepards and other AAVs like them to shoot down the helicopters if they land in the city or south of the city. However, the Ukrainian forces north are stuck in the mud trying to fight uphill around Mylove. The area is hilly with lots of low spots. That leaves Russia a narrow corridor where it can cross the river. Until the Ukrainians can get into Gepard or MANPD range of the city on all three sides or Ukraine gets more fighters (we should have given them F16s or F18s back in the spring) Russia can resupply its best units and keep them fed. However the Ukrainians are intercepting communications about some units not getting fed and they are not happy about it.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:49 pm to WeeWee
quote:Possibly. I still like the idea of bypassing Kherson and going after Meritopol or even into Crimea.
Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine. Kherson is turning into the Ukrainian version of Mariupol. The Russians are able to get supplies across the river at night by using old BMP which still have amphibious capacity and helicopters flying at tree top level. The Ukrainians are able to use Gepards and other AAVs like them to shoot down the helicopters if they land in the city or south of the city. However, the Ukrainian forces north are stuck in the mud trying to fight uphill around Mylove. The area is hilly with lots of low spots. That leaves Russia a narrow corridor where it can cross the river. Until the Ukrainians can get into Gepard or MANPD range of the city on all three sides or Ukraine gets more fighters (we should have given them F16s or F18s back in the spring) Russia can resupply its best units and keep them fed. However the Ukrainians are intercepting communications about some units not getting fed and they are not happy about it.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:51 pm to mmcgrath
quote:That would be huge. With the Ruskies' backs to the river, the POW haul would be significant. If the Ukes could hop the river, and take Kakhovka/Tavriisk, it'd be time for the pro-Uke crew to pop the corks.
I really hope we hear about Ukraine liberating Kherson soon.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:01 pm to NC_Tigah
Surovikin mentioned "difficult" decisions will have to be made soon and then you have the occupational authority ordering the evacuation of civilians from Kherson.
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@Faytuks BREAKING: Moldova will announce mobilization in the event of radical changes in the course of hostilities in Ukraine or an increase in the flow of refugees, Defense Minister tells TVR-Moldova - TASS
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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Russia views NATO as its adversary and as a distinct threat. They would view NATO in Ukraine in the same way the Israelis viewed Arab actions in 1967, i.e., a prelude to inevitable war. It's why Russia says granting Ukraine membership of NATO will guarantee the beginning of WWIII.
This is histrionic nonsense.
Russia and what army is going to fight world war three? They can't even beat Ukraine, and they've ground their army to dust trying. The best they could hope for is some type of international level suicide by cop. But why would they do that they benefit nothing and lose everything by doing that. As you have repeatedly pointed out and I agree Putin and his cronies, despite whatever else you think of them, are rational actors and aren't going to blow themselves up just for the hell of it or to own the libs or whatever ....
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:41 pm to REG861
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Russia has a long history of unjustly invading and interfering in NATO countries. Not the other way around.
Russia has literally never invaded a member of NATO. No other way around it. Have they invaded countries in the past that are now a part of NATO? Yes. But words matter and yours are factually incorrect.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 2:43 pm to mmcgrath
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I really hope we hear about Ukraine liberating Kherson soon. It would be such a key point in the war and it would silence the Putin fluffers for a while.
Lots of talk starting to make this sound inevitable. The new Russia commander seem to hint of it in public remarks (don't speak Russia so have to take twitter commentators word for it.) and if the general is saying its possible publicly i suspect that means its imminent. I think the new Russian general (who's affect is terrifying btw) is at least aware of the on the ground situation unlike some other Russia leaders seem to have been.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:12 pm to joemuggs
quote:An army with one finger ...
Russia and what army is going to fight world war three?
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:29 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:they do however 100% interfere with countries in NATO that they still view as theirs. Like the baltic states
Russia has literally never invaded a member of NATO
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
Nah, Russia doesn't want to get nuked any more than we do.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:31 pm to TigerDoc
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Ukrainian forces supposedly to include attacks on upstream dams.
"Raises eyebrows!"
Sooo.. Ukes gonna bomb their own infrastructure... ???
This doesn't smell fishy at all
Posted on 10/18/22 at 3:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Russia has literally never invaded a member of NATO
And that’s exactly why Ukraine wanted to get I in NATO.
And that’s exactly why all the other European countries got in NATO,
Somehow Russia has made Ukraine and NATO the bad guy here and that’s ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 3:58 pm
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