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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:49 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:49 am to
Quite the opposite from a personal friend's Baker Hughes rental tool location and all the drilling rigs he visited. Also the roads were littered with abandoned vehicles. Any breakdown was just left there.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:52 am to
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Back biting is in the open. Kadyrov has been one. Also the head of Wagner.


Good piece on this in the Guardian today.

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The seven-month-long Russian invasion of its neighbour has plunged the Russian ruling elite into uncertainty, the sources say, and within it a growing understanding the war cannot be won.

Some ambitious officials have seen opportunity in the chaos, pitching to the Kremlin on ways to turn around a failing war and a botched mobilisation. Others are lying low, seeking to hold on to power or avoid punishment. Western intelligence agencies have reported high levels of dissatisfaction among the Russian army and in the country’s elite. Some have even suggested a coup could take place.

Two of Vladimir Putin’s most notorious lieutenants, Prigozhin and the Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, have openly declared war against the defence minister, Putin loyalist Sergei Shoigu, and his top generals following a series of disastrous defeats that have left Russia’s army in retreat
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:56 am to
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I don’t see how the situation today is better than if Donbas region had been granted autonomy with Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO.


Stripping a potential major European country (in the future) of its autonomy isn't a good thing, especially since NATO isn't the international organization Russia actually fears: it's the EU (hence the use of European above).

Russia also has kept being aggressive in the region and there is no reason to think this deal would mean anything to Russia, especially if Ukraine tried to normalize relations with the EU (this is exactly why Putin had to install his puppet in 2010. Yanukovych was put in power specifically to derail the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, which is what started all the escalation in Ukraine leading up to this war).

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Someone please explain how today is better than before the war and how it is worth all of these lives lost.

This is about more than Russia and Ukraine. This is about our international system of trade and organizations. Russia has devolved as a country largely because its run by oligarchs who reject integration into the developed world.

Russia's unprovoked invasion also has disrupted the entire worldwide economy. It's already cost the world hundreds of billion of dollars and could get into the trillions if this war goes on long enough.

It's been since 2004 when a nation straight up invaded another one (US-Iraq War), and it's been much longer than that when an outright invasion for land has taken place (possibly have to go back to the early Cold War, so like 60-70 years). This is rare and disruptive and the international community developed around trade to stop wars. Russia is fricking all of that up. The behavior can't be rewarded because there are still a handful of rogue nations with nukes and armies (Iran, NK, etc.) that can cause further disruption.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:59 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 7 October 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Re-purposed captured Russian equipment now makes up a large proportion of Ukraine's military hardware. Ukraine has likely captured at least 440 Russian Main Battle Tanks, and around 650 other armoured vehicles since the invasion. Over half of Ukraine's currently fielded tank fleet potentially consists of captured vehicles.

The failure of Russian crews to destroy intact equipment before withdrawing or surrendering highlights their poor state of training and low levels of battle discipline. With Russian formations under severe strain in several sectors and increasingly demoralised troops, Russia will likely continue to lose heavy weaponry.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:59 am to
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This is key and I hope we have already told this to China and India.

I don't think we would even have to. This is one of those conversations where we'd likely get a "do you even have to ask that question?" type of response.

China has already started to become critical of Russia.

There's about a 5% chance China, India, etc. would not outright oppose Russia if Russia launches a nuke. Right now they can hide behind Russia's propaganda-talking points (take your pick) as a reason not to get involved (see: the poli board to watch multiple examples of this). But nukes? That's a Rubicon. At the least, it would show India and China that Russia doesn't give a frick about anything other than Russia and will destroy the world before losing. China and India kind of have an interest in preventing that (cheap oil isn't enough).
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:02 am to
The offensive north of Kherson has been restarted. Russians already taking losses.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:04 am to
Is someone giving a polonium cake to Putin on his birthday?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476559 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:06 am to
I have started to think about the different scenarios of legitimate internal conflict in Russia. Most aren't good for the US/World.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:08 am to
Warfox,
Let me guess... You buy what the convicted pervert, Scott Ritter, has been trying to sell.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89735 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:09 am to
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Russia's unprovoked invasion also has disrupted the entire worldwide economy. It's already cost the world hundreds of billion of dollars and could get into the trillions if this war goes on long enough


Russia invaded back in 2014 and still hosted the Olympics and a World Cup.

But glad to see your Twitter talking points are down. We’ve been sending money to Ukraine since the 90s we also installed our own puppet regime and Biden used economic coercion, which violates the Budapest agreement.

Again, two things can be true. Russia behavior and US behavior has led to this with now our president warning of nuclear war. That’s right, the same guy that had his son making money off a Ukraine energy company.

quote:

In early 2015 the former Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, George Kent, raised concerns to officials in Vice President Joe Biden’s office about the perception of a conflict of interest with respect to Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board. Kent’s concerns went unaddressed, and in September 2016, he emphasized in an email to his colleagues, “Furthermore, the presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board was very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”





Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73585 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:20 am to
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Ukraine has clarified what he meant which was not calling for a nuclear strike.


You’re still not understanding how nuclear football is played. Any move made by one side to take away the ability of the other side to launch a nuclear strike will itself trigger that side to launch a full nuclear strike.

For example, during the Cold War both sides kept nuclear subs on station 24/7 with the express mission of, if ordered, to take out the other side’s nuclear capability. Neither side ever tried it because both sides had a policy that even a single launch would immediately result in a full nuclear strike. Neither side was willing to risk having their nuclear arsenal neutralized before being launched. Thus, the instant it was confirmed one side was trying to do so, it would be game over.

It doesn’t matter if the incoming strike is via nuclear or conventional means, the act of targeting either side’s nuclear deterrent will trigger Armageddon.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 7:24 am
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:24 am to
Ukrainian terrorists shell a civilian bus in Kherson Oblast, Russian Federation killing at least five.

LINK
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12293 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:25 am to
The back biting amounts to scapegoating Shoigu. If Shoigu takes the fall then Putin saves face.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476559 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:26 am to
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Again, two things can be true. Russia behavior and US behavior has led to this with now

Sure

Russia not only started this (really beginning with Georgia but at the latest their interference in the 2010 elections in Ukraine), they hold the largest share of the blame

It's like 90/10
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:31 am to
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Russia invaded back in 2014 and still hosted the Olympics and a World Cup.

Yes, and Obama did very little. Neither did Europe, but this made Ukraine eager yo cozy up to NATO for protection.
Furthermore other Eastern European nations became more anxious with Russian bear on the move.

Trump takes office and it seems Russia was taken aback. Ttump wasn’t Obama, but when Biden beat Trump I think Putin saw his chance to take all of Ukraine.

Russian imperialism and failures in their military have us where we are now. Ukraine proper was no Crimea. Russia has failed to quickly subjugate Ukraine and now they have been exposed with nothing to show but their nukes which they desperately need.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:32 am to
I was in Russia Far East. I was fortunate as 90% of my employees were degreed and multi-lingual.

Shell & Exxon had more problems with then Expats and alcohol to be honest.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 8:10 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476559 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:33 am to
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You’re still not understanding how nuclear football is played. Any move made by one side to take away the ability of the other side to launch a nuclear strike will itself trigger that side to launch a full nuclear strike

Anyone who has watched this Benny Hill Show of an operation should have major doubts that Russia can execute this plan with precision or accuracy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
476559 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:34 am to
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, but when Biden beat Trump I think Putin saw his chance to take all of Ukraine.

I honestly think it has nothing to do with this and is Covid-related.

Trump was non-interventionist. Why would Russia fear Trump intervening in Ukraine?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:35 am to
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Trump takes office and it seems Russia was taken aback. Ttump wasn’t Obama, but when Biden beat Trump I think Putin saw his chance to take all of Ukraine.


This is one thing many refuse to admit. Biden becoming president played a massive role in Putin’s decision to invade. Not only did Biden green light Nordstream2 (which even Zelinski said lard to invasion), Putin saw in Biden weakness that he didn’t see in Trump. Putin saw he had his chance and he took it.

Now here we are talking about possible Armageddon.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476559 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 7:37 am to
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Putin saw in Biden weakness that he didn’t see in Trump

Trump was non-interventionist. Why would Russia fear Trump not responding to their invasion of Ukraine, exactly?
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