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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:23 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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139768 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:23 pm to
quote:

H.R. McMaster
Is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:23 pm to
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While it’s a complete sham, that’s my understanding of the plan. But the goal may not be additional mobilization. It may be an attempt to justify use of tactical nukes to “defend Russian territory”


That would bring NATO into Ukraine instantly, I think. In a very big way. Any use of nukes anywhere will precipitate a full scale conflagration. That would bring the end of Putin.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16136 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:38 pm to
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While it’s a complete sham, that’s my understanding of the plan. But the goal may not be additional mobilization. It may be an attempt to justify use of tactical nukes to “defend Russian territory”


Crimea was already "annexed by referendum" and attacks on it never saw a response. Missile strikes in Belgorod never saw that much of a response
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 6:40 pm
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 6:57 pm to
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Amazing interview with a Russian POW. He and his wife have no soul.

YouTube


I don't think they have no soul. As a matter of fact - I think the POW guy is just starting to realize the depth of the crimes he committed. You can see him doing the math in his head... 500 shots.. from a blind position... "successful" shots communicated to him not known by sight.... He admits to killing 30 but realizes it was probably MANY more and likely civilians. He was a killer amongst even worse killers... and a disposable one at that.

The wife... Yeah - She looks indignant... but also very scared. I think she is realizing just how much all of their lives (children especially) are at risk because the military holds the purse strings.. and somewhere along the line - their money is disappearing. There is no way there isn't somebody there minding her throughout the conversation.

I don't envy the interviewer and the task he has set upon himself. You can see him fighting to restrain emotion in order to fulfill what he must believe is his calling. Props to him.

Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30192 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:02 pm to
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Have you heard the phone intercept where the wife is asking for her husband to bring her various things like patches from dead Ukerain soldiers?


First - I don't think I need to point out that, in this context, it's "A wife" and not "THE wife" (as in the one in this video conversation).
I know you know this... but not everybody's comprehension level is the same here.

Second - Yes. It's depraved and deplorable. Not sure where that particular soldier/wife were from... or if there regional affiliation even had anything to do with the fact that the conversation was disgusting on every level.


ETA:

Am thinking it could've been a prisoner conscript. There's no telling what kind of criminals Russia has running around in Ukraine right now.
This post was edited on 9/29/22 at 7:14 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:03 pm to
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quote:
I think if that were to happen,
It already did




How so?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30677 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:09 pm to
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Got a link?


The mental woman wants him to bring back a HEAD.

YT
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30677 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:32 pm to
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Is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that.


McMaster is anything but an idiot. He was the only junior officer in Desert Storm outside my battalion that I knew his name leaving Iraq. He was pivotal in the most salient tank battle since the Valley of Tears.

Though not exactly the way you mean it but every good combat arms officer is dangerous. The civilians over them are the ones responsible for minding their leash. General Mcmaster is just the kind of officer you want in the military. When you put one in a civilian position you better be capable of holding the leash.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:33 pm to
Damn...

If there is a hell, her soul will be there someday.

You can tell he doesn't like the questions, he lowers his voice so his mates won't know what he's talking about.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:35 pm to
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The mental woman wants him to bring back a HEAD.

Sicko wants to role play.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16136 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:38 pm to
That would be Col MacGregor in every interview since this began. I don't know what his problem is.extreme resentment at the military establishment, plain clueless or being on the take with Putin but he says thing every interview from "his sources" with are 100% false. The fact the he was well well respected and a book of his was a must read for every general officer makes his descent into inanity that much sadder
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:38 pm to
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I hope that NATO has a strong response tomorrow. I'll be very upset if it doesn't include Bradley Fighting Vehicles, F-16s, Leopard 2 tanks, etc.

Oh, and it will have to include ATACMS and a removal of the prohibition of attacking "Russian" territory. If it's all Russia, then none of it should be off limits.

And I hope that Ukraine's response is to show off hundreds of POWs taken from Lyman. Let every Russian see that they are fighting a losing war.


Great point. The day Putin announced his big mobilization, the prisoner swap announcement really wilted the Russian nationalists as they realized >100 Azovstal fighters were being traded for Putin's daughter's godfather. I hope Ukraine and the West have some more good responses up their sleeves.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:41 pm to
President Putin has signed an executive decree recognizing the secession of Kherson and Zaporozhye from Ukraine. They are to be considered independent states for the next 15 hours or so, by Russian law.

Also Russia is about to take Bahkmut.

Also,
quote:

Europe is paying seven times as much for gas as the US, underscoring a dramatic erosion of the continent’s industrial competitiveness that threatens to cause lasting damage to its economy. With Russian President Vladimir Putin redoubling his war efforts in Ukraine, there’s little sign that gas flows -- and substantially lower prices -- would be restored to Europe in the near term.


Just LOL at NATO. More like GAYTO.


Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:46 pm to
Well, at least you leave no doubt. You sound like a former poster in this thread, Zima Whiskey. New Alter?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:46 pm to
ISW Update

quote:

The Kremlin continues to violate its stated “partial mobilization” procedures and contradict its own messaging even while recognizing the systematic failures within the Russian bureaucracy just eight days after the declaration of mobilization.


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The Kremlin’s contradictory statements and procedures demonstrate the fundamental nature of the systemic weakness of the Russian military establishment that have characterized the entire invasion.


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The bureaucratic failures in the Russian partial mobilization may indicate that Putin has again bypassed the Russian higher military command or the Russian MoD.


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Belarus remains highly unlikely to become directly involved in the war in Ukraine on the part of Russia, despite statements made by Ukrainian sources on September 29 that Belarus is preparing to accommodate newly mobilized Russian servicemen.


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Key Takeaways

The Kremlin continues to violate its stated “partial mobilization” procedures and contradict its own messaging even while recognizing the systematic failures within the Russian bureaucracy just eight days after the declaration of mobilization.

Belarus may be preparing to accommodate newly-mobilized Russian servicemen but remains unlikely to enter the war in Ukraine on Russia’s behalf.

Ukrainian troops have likely nearly completed the encirclement of the Russian grouping in Lyman and cut critical ground lines of communication (GLOCS) that support Russian troops in the Drobysheve-Lyman area.

Ukrainian military officials maintained operational silence regarding Ukrainian ground maneuvers in Kherson Oblast but stated that Russian forces are deploying newly-mobilized troops to reinforce the Kherson Oblast frontline.

Ukrainian troops continued to target Russian logistics, transportation, and military assets in Kherson Oblast.

Russian troops continued ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast.

Russian forces have likely increased the use of Iranian-made Shahed-136 drones in southern Ukraine.

An independent Russian polling organization, the Levada Center, found that almost half of polled Russians are anxious about mobilization, but that support for Russian military actions declined only slightly to 44%.

Ukrainian officials reiterated their concerns that the Kremlin will mobilize Ukrainian citizens in occupied oblasts following Russian President Vladimir Putin’s annexation announcement.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11915 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:48 pm to
Lima didn't troll like that. He was more subtle. This fellow is more like the series of drive-by Russophiles like dr90210, Nosler, and WokeGoBroke.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:48 pm to
Commentary from Russians discussing the situation in Lyman.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1575614096266780672
quote:

It's all western weapons. And western reconnaissance. And Kyiv regime. And the boys are heroes. LINK



https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1575612921216135168
quote:

Here the cope starts pouring about heroic defenders of Lyman. I can't remember them saying the same when Russians killed their best infantry attacking Lysychansk and Severodonetsk over several weeks.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
479082 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:51 pm to
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Any use of nukes anywhere will precipitate a full scale conflagration. That would bring the end of Putin.

Use of nukes would likely mobilize the literal world against Russia in some form or fashion.

The scary part is what Putin would do if he's completely isolated.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105496 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:53 pm to
When they start talking about heroism in the face of impossible odds, the fat lady is warming up.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

Russia is about to take Bahkmut.


Well, they've only been trying since April, but I've seen nothing that indicates there has been any big change in the front lines in that area, what's your source?
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