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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:00 am to lsu777
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:00 am to lsu777
Javelin Replacement Contract Awarded
Sept. 15, 2022
The Army awarded a production contract for $311 million on Sep. 13 to the Javelin Joint Venture (JJV) between Raytheon Missiles and Defense and Lockheed Martin for delivery of more than 1,800 Javelins that will serve as replenishment for those rounds from DoD stocks sent to Ukraine in support of their military and security forces.
"This award is a great example of our continued commitment to strengthening our domestic industrial base while supporting our allies and partners,” Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment William A. LaPlante said. “As we use various authorities to replenish our own stocks, industry can expect a strong, persistent demand signal.”
This procurement is part of the Ukraine Supplemental appropriation. The contract includes Army Ukraine replenishment, Army FY22 procurement, and international partner missiles.
“This award demonstrates the Army’s ability to use the new authorities given to us by Congress to acquire critical capabilities for our Soldiers, allies, and partners rapidly and responsibly,” said Douglas R. Bush, the Army's assistant secretary for acquisition, logistics and technology.
To date, the Javelin Joint Venture has produced more than 50,000 Javelin missiles and more than 12,000 reusable Command Launch Units. Javelin is expected to remain in the U.S. weapon arsenal until 2050 and is subject to continual upgrades to support evolving operational needs.
DoD Press Release
Sept. 15, 2022
The Army awarded a production contract for $311 million on Sep. 13 to the Javelin Joint Venture (JJV) between Raytheon Missiles and Defense and Lockheed Martin for delivery of more than 1,800 Javelins that will serve as replenishment for those rounds from DoD stocks sent to Ukraine in support of their military and security forces.
"This award is a great example of our continued commitment to strengthening our domestic industrial base while supporting our allies and partners,” Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment William A. LaPlante said. “As we use various authorities to replenish our own stocks, industry can expect a strong, persistent demand signal.”
This procurement is part of the Ukraine Supplemental appropriation. The contract includes Army Ukraine replenishment, Army FY22 procurement, and international partner missiles.
“This award demonstrates the Army’s ability to use the new authorities given to us by Congress to acquire critical capabilities for our Soldiers, allies, and partners rapidly and responsibly,” said Douglas R. Bush, the Army's assistant secretary for acquisition, logistics and technology.
To date, the Javelin Joint Venture has produced more than 50,000 Javelin missiles and more than 12,000 reusable Command Launch Units. Javelin is expected to remain in the U.S. weapon arsenal until 2050 and is subject to continual upgrades to support evolving operational needs.
DoD Press Release
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:00 am to lsu777
If Russia uses a tactical nuke, they lose faster. Pure and simple.
Russia's use of a tactical nuke would bring NATO actively and directly into the war. It would cause China, India, Turkey, Brazil and the rest of the world to stop all trade with Russia.
So, they won't do it, and the discussion about it usually happens to try to stop more weapons deliveries to Ukraine. It's just a crummy excuse for inaction.
Russia's use of a tactical nuke would bring NATO actively and directly into the war. It would cause China, India, Turkey, Brazil and the rest of the world to stop all trade with Russia.
So, they won't do it, and the discussion about it usually happens to try to stop more weapons deliveries to Ukraine. It's just a crummy excuse for inaction.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:02 am to Chromdome35
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I still think that Ukraine will win, I'm just saying I wish they could have sustained their offensive last week or augmented it by punching hard somewhere else.
Sometimes we forget men are not machines, especially when we are looking at the battlefield via maps.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:09 am to TigerDoc
One of the comments.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:13 am to GOP_Tiger
This has all been discussed at length, Russia uses chemical biological or nuclear they are declaring war on NATO. I’m surprised the White Pete strikes haven’t necessitated a call to the carpet…
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:27 am to GOP_Tiger
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But how could Ukraine have ATACMS if they have not been given US-made long-range missiles? I would say that the answer is in the Korean licensee of those missiles. Korea is quite happy to sell weapons to Poland. There could have even been a little trick where they were shipped 95% assembled, and the final part of the assembly was done in Ukraine, so that the weapons were "Ukrainian-made."
And no US markings, everybody wins.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:33 am to LSUCanFAN
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I’m surprised the White Pete strikes haven’t necessitated a call to the carpet…
Both sides have used them.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:37 am to lsu777
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Quote: "If Washington decides to supply Kyiv with missiles of a larger range, it will cross the red line and will become a party to the conflict. We are maintaining our right to defend our territories with all means available".
The issue is that Russia is of the present belief that at any moment it can launch a long range missile into any population center in Ukraine as part of its terror campaign, and that Ukraine has no means to respond in kind.
If Ukraine openly tells Russia that it has the ability and the intent to respond in kind, that changes the risks for Russia.
So if Ukraine openly advises that if Russia sends a long range missile to Kiev, Ukraine will send a long range missile to Moscow. At that point it will be Russia's choice whether to have a missile strike in Moscow.
That may be the only way to get Russia to reconsider its current terror campaign using long range missiles.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:05 am to Obtuse1
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Sometimes we forget men are not machines, especially when we are looking at the battlefield via maps.
I think that it was Hertling who said after 5 days of battle, troops need some good rest. Hopefully, UKR can even rotate with fresh units. Terrain will play a major factor. Just look at how UKR used high ground to its advantage to slaughter many Russians its own forces were in an orderly retreat, aka exfill
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:05 am to TBoy
The delivery of more NASAMS systems to Ukraine helps fix the missile problem. Russia has fewer precision-guided missiles every day, and Ukraine is better equipped to shoot them down every day.
Striking Moscow would probably enable Putin to get public support for a declaration of war and a general mobilization. It would be counterproductive.
Striking Moscow would probably enable Putin to get public support for a declaration of war and a general mobilization. It would be counterproductive.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:08 am to GOP_Tiger
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Striking Moscow would probably enable Putin to get public support for a declaration of war and a general mobilization. It would be counterproductive.
You're probably correct on this.
Maybe the open discussion of the capability to strike anywhere in Russia may have more value than a strike itself.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:10 am to Obtuse1
Good ol’ Russian pilots. Don’t even need to be fired at to crash. You’d think they were taught pretty early in flight school not to turn into another aircraft’s jet wash especially at low altitude. Then again these are Russians……
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This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 10:13 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:13 am to GOP_Tiger
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Striking Moscow would probably enable Putin to get public support for a declaration of war and a general mobilization. It would be counterproductive.
Cant happen. But Crimea and border towns like Belgorod are fair game.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:22 am to TBoy
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So if Ukraine openly advises that if Russia sends a long range missile to Kiev, Ukraine will send a long range missile to Moscow. At that point it will be Russia's choice whether to have a missile strike in Moscow
I agree with the other poster saying that would be counterproductive and risk increasing public support for general mobilization (Moscow would be unwise).
But you do touch an important point. It does constitute a public terror campaign when Russia targets the cities and citizens indiscriminately.
And that behavior does justify hitting any military related transport or production facilities in Russia. Preferably things like railway transportation in the hundred or so miles closest to Ukraine.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:31 am to Chromdome35
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I still think that Ukraine will win, I'm just saying I wish they could have sustained their offensive last week or augmented it by punching hard somewhere else.
How do you know that punch is not coming? Some of Russia's best units are holding the line in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. However, Russia is making the same mistake it made in Kharkiv. It has separatist militia holding parts of the front with no major reserve or fall back positions other than the pre-invasion defensive networks in Luhansk and Donetsk. Ukraine is probing the lines for a weak spot. Ukraine's air force has returned to the fight and it has the upper hand at the moment, but unlike NATO militaries Ukraine does not have the air power to secure the skies and weaken the enemy positions enough to make a weak spot wherever it wants so it has to find one then adjust to exploit it.
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KHERSON /2230 UTC 14 SEP/ UKR forces on the M-14 HWY axis have liberated the town of Kiselyvka. In the last 36 hours, UKR has sortied more than 25 close air support missions in Kherson oblast. Partisans report RU will attempt to ferry pontooned supplies to Kherson tonight.
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The Ukrainians have resumed their offensive in the south. There is now only 25 km one Russian strong point, the city of Chernobayivk between them and Kherson city. The offensive is advancing slower than the Kharkiv offensive, but it is averaging 10 - 12 km per day. I expect the Ukrainians to reach the outskirts of Kherson by the weekend. If the reports of Russia running low on ammo are true then I do not expect the Russians in Kherson to resist for long. Especially since the UAF is focusing on taking out the Russian artillery on the east side of the river.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:54 am to WeeWee
Cut off supplies to Kherson
Take Mariupol or Melitopol
Take Mariupol or Melitopol
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:55 am to WeeWee
I agree that the Kherson collapse will happen suddenly, when Russia runs out of ammo or fuel. And I don't think that this can be more than a few weeks off. I wonder if I will be able to visit Kherson when I am in Ukraine next month.
But I also agree that Ukraine will continue to exploit the cut Russian supply lines in northern Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, and I expect a new offensive in the next week or two in the south, either at Tokmak and then to Melitopol, or from the reported buildup at Vuhledar towards Volnovakha and then Mariupol. We know that Ukraine has an operational reserve that they can use for another offensive, and they aren't going to wait until winter.
But I also agree that Ukraine will continue to exploit the cut Russian supply lines in northern Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, and I expect a new offensive in the next week or two in the south, either at Tokmak and then to Melitopol, or from the reported buildup at Vuhledar towards Volnovakha and then Mariupol. We know that Ukraine has an operational reserve that they can use for another offensive, and they aren't going to wait until winter.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:59 am to GOP_Tiger
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How did Ukraine hit Saki air base?
Per my sauce(s) in Ukrainian intel it was with locally produced Hrim2 ballistic missiles. Ukraine has a small stockpile of them which they are holding in reserve to use as a deterrent against Russia using a tactical nuke or causing an incident at the ZNPP. My sauce(s) have hinted that Ukraine used some of its Hrim2s to show Russia that it did have them.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:01 am to GOP_Tiger
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I agree that the Kherson collapse will happen suddenly, when Russia runs out of ammo or fuel. And I don't think that this can be more than a few weeks off. I wonder if I will be able to visit Kherson when I am in Ukraine next month.
I would advise against it. From my experience in Ukraine, anywhere the Russians have been is a place that you do not want to visit for awhile. Especially since Kherson is close to the sea and within range of Russian submarine launched missiles.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:12 am to WeeWee
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Russian submarine
What a crown jewel that would be? Get a P8 to fix it and use a US missile to whack it (fired by the Ukrainians of course, we cant get involved).
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