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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:22 pm to facher08
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:22 pm to facher08
War_Mapper time-lapse GIF of the offesive in the Kharkiv AO over the last 5 days.
Twitter
As before I have made a kinda jerky frame by frame gif for the people that don't use twitter but if you do use twitter I suggest you give him a click because he has been doing great work. He may not have the most information dense maps but he has the most digestible maps.
As before I have made a kinda jerky frame by frame gif for the people that don't use twitter but if you do use twitter I suggest you give him a click because he has been doing great work. He may not have the most information dense maps but he has the most digestible maps.
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Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:22 pm to alpinetiger
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You’re an ignorant moron.
I’m still waiting for him, AGGIES, and low-t to provide links for their claims.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:24 pm to jimmy the leg
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They were going to be members.
Ukraine applied for NATO membership in 2021 and was unanimously rejected by NATO.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:24 pm to CitizenK
Russia didn’t occupy Ukraine through war… parts of modern day ukraine were in the Russian empire, Austrian/Hapsburg Empire… and polish/Lithuanian commonwealth.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:25 pm to jimmy the leg
You say you feel for the innocent people of Ukraine and we all do. What about the Ukrainian soldiers that are fighting and dying for their country in a war no one gave them a chance of even surviving 2 weeks? They are innocent as well but they are Ukrainian not Russian and it means something to them. Would you like to be called a Mexican just because you border Mexico? Russia didn’t have to start any of this, I feel people forget that very easily. I’m a staunch Republican but I also understand that Ukraine has to be helped if it’s going to help itself against our enemy. And in reality what we have given to Ukraine pales in comparison to some things the new regime has put in place.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:29 pm to Obtuse1
So it's confirmed that Izyum was retaken by the Ukrainians now according to these maps?
There's chatter on twitter, admittedly from pretty pro Uk sources, that the Russians have lost the entirety of Kharkiv Oblast.
There's chatter on twitter, admittedly from pretty pro Uk sources, that the Russians have lost the entirety of Kharkiv Oblast.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:30 pm to Obtuse1
A note about the Kharkiv area map. It is an excellent example of what I was talking about when I said a couple of days ago once you have broken through a fixed defensive line by operating behind it you can zipper the defense open. This is illustrated well in the 9/11 and 9/12 slides with the northern movement right up the Russian control line. Admittedly the river insured that would be a rather weak defensive area but it is a good illustration because while you can see it in other areas that one is just extremely obvious due to the large changes day over day.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:31 pm to mattfromnj
The Russian Ministry of Defense announced it was withdrawing from the entirety of Kharkiv Oblast. This would include Izium and much more.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:31 pm to jimmy the leg
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Ukraine is a pit of corruption.
Russia, Louisiana, and Jackson Mississippi are worse.
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There is no doubt in my mind that money is being siphoned off at a prodigious rate. Somewhere, somehow, the skim is in effect, and there are some people making BANK as a result (and I don’t mean ethically).
You could say the same thing about weapon sales to the Middle East, oil and gas investment in the USA, green energy, nuclear energy, military spending in the USA, farm subsidies, infrastructure improvements, etc. Anywhere there is government involvement there is corruption or misuse of funds. So being against something because you think someone is making bank is downright F**KING STUPID.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:31 pm to Obtuse1
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Interesting Twitter thread that echos what many of us have been saying since the first few pages of the thread:
That appears to be right on the money.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:33 pm to Obtuse1
Do you mind if I post it into the thread so the people who don't do Twitter can read it?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:34 pm to TBoy
I guess overall point is there is no way to separate the political from the conflict… this idea you can forcefully take and hold territory, bomb the shite out of it, kill those opposing you… then one day act like everything should be sunshine and rainbows with some puppet regime is the pipest of pipe dreams.
But it’s a listen governments continue to fail to learn.
But it’s a listen governments continue to fail to learn.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:35 pm to jimmy the leg
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I’m still waiting for him, AGGIES, and low-t to provide links for their claims.
What are you talking about?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:35 pm to lowspark12
We did it post ww2 in germany and japan but there arent many examples of it working
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:36 pm to lowspark12
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I’m generally curious what everyone thinks….
- Are wars of occupation ever successful?
- if yes, what would it take for a war of occupation to be successful?
- if the answer isn’t murder everyone who opposes you, what else can be done?
This isn’t necessarily about Russo/Ukrainian War… just war in general.
The Israelis have done relatively well in wars of occupation. They've held the West Bank for going on 50+ years with relatively light casualties and all while subduing a population that absolutely hates them. They did ok in southern Lebanon from 82-2000 as well before leaving in large part because of public pressure about casualties.
Apartheid South Africa was moderately successful in Angola as well, intervening in the civil war post Portuguese defeat and occupying part of the country to help one of the factions in the war.
IMO you need a strong local ally to win and to legitimize you in the eyes of the population, without that you end up like us in Afghanistan or Vietnam.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:40 pm to WeeWee
I challenge anyone to find a government somewhere that isn’t in some way corrupt. It’s just how shite is. Some are worse than others but they are all corrupt.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:41 pm to mattfromnj
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The Israelis
This could be its own 1700pg thread.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:42 pm to WeeWee
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They were going to be members.
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Ukraine applied for NATO membership in 2021 and was unanimously rejected by NATO.
So prior to Russia’s full scale invasion in 2022 huh? No shite. They also tried to join in 2008.
Obama, and McCain were ALL in favor of it. W pulled a Forrest Gump (that’s a fine idea), and have them the support of the US. Europe hated W so that had shite for traction.
So ultimately, why weren’t they admitted?
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Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that NATO membership would force Russia to treat Ukraine as an enemy.
Even back then there was trepidation:
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Russia's opposition caused consternation among some NATO members. "We are opposed to the entry of Georgia and Ukraine because we think that it is not a good answer to the balance of power within Europe and between Europe and Russia," French Prime Minister François Fillon reportedly said in a radio interview.
A such, Europe dragging their feet isn’t a shock. Nonetheless, I have no doubt that they were going to get in with Biden supporting their entry. Going against FJB’s wishes would have shown a divide amongst the ruling class. It wasn’t going to happen. Like as not, the world will do whatever it takes to support the ice cream eater, just because it isn’t OMB.
As noted above...it was going to happen.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:42 pm to mattfromnj
China continues to occupy Tibet. They have not been disqualified from international trade etc as a result.
Barring a loss of central authority I don't see that changing
Barring a loss of central authority I don't see that changing
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:44 pm to LSUPilot07
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What about the Ukrainian soldiers that are fighting and dying for their country
I said innocent. I didn’t realize I needed to break it down further. My bad bro.
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