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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:52 am to CitizenK
Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:52 am to CitizenK
I'm not saying military muscle doesn't need to be flexed. I'm enjoying watching Russia piss all over its own shoes militarily and completely wreck its armed forces to the point the won't be able to do much as invade Liechtenstein for the next 30 years. And if I was in the same room as Putin I'd happily put a couple rounds between his running lights.
My point is it doesn't need to be the US's funds supplying that muscle. Y'all's contention is that there is never a time or place where the US shouldn't get involved even when there are regional powers more than capable of handling things themselves. Especially when those same entities have failed to pay their share of the freight for 60-70 years.
My point is it doesn't need to be the US's funds supplying that muscle. Y'all's contention is that there is never a time or place where the US shouldn't get involved even when there are regional powers more than capable of handling things themselves. Especially when those same entities have failed to pay their share of the freight for 60-70 years.
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 12:58 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:Blatant fricking straw man.
Y'all's contention is that there is never a time or place where the US shouldn't get involved
Posted on 7/17/22 at 6:56 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 17 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
• Russia is reinforcing its defensive positions across the occupied areas of the South of Ukraine. This includes the movement of manpower, equipment and defensive stores between Mariupol and Zaporizhia, and in Kherson. Russian forces in Melitopol are also increasing security measures.
• Ukrainian forces have been applying pressure on the Russian defensive line in Kherson Oblast for over a month now, and recent political statements from both Zelenskky and the Deputy Prime Minister have warned of forthcoming offense operations to force Russia out of the areas it currently controls
• Russian defensive moves are likely a response to anticipated Ukrainian offensives, to demands made by Defence Minister Shoygu on a recent visit to the Donbas, and also to the attacks Ukraine is launching against command posts, logistic nodes and troop concentrations. Given the pressures on Russian manpower, the reinforcement of the South whilst the fight for the Donbas continues likely indicates the seriousness with which Russian commanders view the threat
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 17 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
• Russia is reinforcing its defensive positions across the occupied areas of the South of Ukraine. This includes the movement of manpower, equipment and defensive stores between Mariupol and Zaporizhia, and in Kherson. Russian forces in Melitopol are also increasing security measures.
• Ukrainian forces have been applying pressure on the Russian defensive line in Kherson Oblast for over a month now, and recent political statements from both Zelenskky and the Deputy Prime Minister have warned of forthcoming offense operations to force Russia out of the areas it currently controls
• Russian defensive moves are likely a response to anticipated Ukrainian offensives, to demands made by Defence Minister Shoygu on a recent visit to the Donbas, and also to the attacks Ukraine is launching against command posts, logistic nodes and troop concentrations. Given the pressures on Russian manpower, the reinforcement of the South whilst the fight for the Donbas continues likely indicates the seriousness with which Russian commanders view the threat
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:23 am to cypher
HIMARS time! Russia digging in they know it’s going to be bad. It’s exacerbated by supply lines being down or disrupted to the point where they fear they will be overwhelmed quickly…all intercepts include Ukrainians are coming in overwhelming force. General who insisted they take all of Donbas was met by disbelief and simmering anger that he has no idea what is happening on the ground. This will get ugly. Ukrainians are seething after civilian funerals. I’m also told pay attention to the number of Russian Cruise missiles being shot down because air defence capabilities have been massively ramped up in the last few days…
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 7:26 am
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:35 am to Obtuse1
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SERE where I knew it was all "play" (though the instructors make it hard to remember that at times) still fricked me up for several months.
I had the great misfortune of going to Navy SERE in Maine. There were 4 82nd guys and 4 Marine Recon types in the class and we got lots of extra attention. Nightmares for weeks after.
It was without a doubt the most realistic training I ever had. The Navy is fricking serious about the "resistance" part as they should be.
Got back to NAS Brunswick after the school and looked in the mirror expecting to be be bruised up and did not have a mark on my body.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 7:36 am to SoFla Tideroller
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My point is it doesn't need to be the US's funds supplying that muscle.
The only reason is for US/Crony benefit.
Probably some of the same people who have been angry we provide European military welfare will support the US getting involved here. The public manipulation is highly entertaining.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:34 am to Coeur du Tigre
The coward responsible for the missile attack on Vinnytsia has been identified.
Justice will prevail, one way or the other.
The Ukrainians are pissed and they don't play -
In Crimea wanted posters are appearing…
That animal can run but he can't hide. See you soon, meat.
Justice will prevail, one way or the other.
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There is always a specific person behind a rocket strike. Captain Anatoliy Varochkin, commander of Black Sea submarine fleet, gave the order to strike Vinnytsia from the submarine he leads. He killed 24 Ukrainians, 3 of them - children. Putin is not the only murderer in Russia.
The Ukrainians are pissed and they don't play -
In Crimea wanted posters are appearing…
That animal can run but he can't hide. See you soon, meat.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 8:37 am
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Coeur du Tigre
Weirdo.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:44 am to Coeur du Tigre
Russia starting to look a little worried about Crimea
@flash43191300
Pretty sure this is around the 3rd or 4th time Russia has made the threat to military infrastructure as if they aren't already targeting those things
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??Medvedev says that NATO's refusal to recognize Crimea is a systemic threat to the Russian Federation, and a conflict "up to a direct attack" is possible.
@flash43191300
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1/2??The possible shelling of the Crimean bridge by Ukraine will lead to a retaliatory "crushing blow", - said State Duma deputy Mykhailo Sheremet.
2/2 "An attempt to attack the Crimean bridge will result in a devastating blow to the decision-making centers in Kyiv, military infrastructure and arms supply logistics channels,"- Sheremet said.
Pretty sure this is around the 3rd or 4th time Russia has made the threat to military infrastructure as if they aren't already targeting those things
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/17/22 at 8:47 am to StormyMcMan
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a retaliatory "crushing blow"
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:06 am to StormyMcMan
UK defence chief: Russia has lost more than 30% of its land combat effectiveness
During the full-scale invasion, Russia has lost more than 30% of its land combat effectiveness, so Ukraine’s army absolutely believes it will win the war.
“They [Ukraine] are absolutely clear that they plan to restore the whole of their territory in terms of Ukraine, and they see a Russia that is struggling, a Russia that we assess has lost more than 30% of its land combat effectiveness,” Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, the chief of the defence staff for the UK, said on BBC One’s Sunday Morning show, The Guardian informs.
He noted that 50,000 Russian soldiers had either died or been injured, nearly 1,700 Russian tanks and 4,000 armoured fighting had been destroyed during the war.
JKRINFORM
During the full-scale invasion, Russia has lost more than 30% of its land combat effectiveness, so Ukraine’s army absolutely believes it will win the war.
“They [Ukraine] are absolutely clear that they plan to restore the whole of their territory in terms of Ukraine, and they see a Russia that is struggling, a Russia that we assess has lost more than 30% of its land combat effectiveness,” Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, the chief of the defence staff for the UK, said on BBC One’s Sunday Morning show, The Guardian informs.
He noted that 50,000 Russian soldiers had either died or been injured, nearly 1,700 Russian tanks and 4,000 armoured fighting had been destroyed during the war.
JKRINFORM
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:15 am to cypher
While I don't doubt that is true, Ukraine will need to actually go on the offensive sooner over later for this to be true. It seems like the whole front is stalled for both armies at the moment
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:20 am to SoFla Tideroller
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My point is it doesn't need to be the US's funds supplying that muscle. Y'all's contention is that there is never a time or place where the US shouldn't get involved even when there are regional powers more than capable of handling things themselves. Especially when those same entities have failed to pay their share of the freight for 60-70 years.
It’s not complicated. In 1994 we pledged to defend Ukrsine ftom invasion if they weakened their defenses and gave up their nukes which they did. Russia and the UK pledged to do the same.
Now would you have us not follow through on our pledge? If so would you not follow our pledge to Taiwan? S Korea? Israel? NATO?
Maybe you think we should be an isolationist? Maybe you think we shouldn’t be the major player in world affairs? That’s a different argument, but we pledged to help Ukraine and we should follow through.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:29 am to doubleb
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Now would you have us not follow through on our pledge?
Nah, a 30 year old "pledge" doesn't mean much. We paid Russia (indirectly Ukraine) too remove nukes from Ukraine.
Its Europe's issue, not ours. But here we are. We will deficit spend more than everyone else just like we always do.
We've spent 3x what the UE member nations have spent. But our welfare dollars know no bounds. We will be spending money there 30 years from now.
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:30 am to doubleb
To add, I don't get how people dont see the end game here
Ukraine isnt going to be completely conquered. There will eventually be a settled peace, but Ukraine will continue to exist. Its a large country, with a large population, that will need to be rebuilt. That's what we are going to do. We are tying their own industrial and economic recovery to us. Its the marshall plan all over again and I think everyone can agree thats was a very good thing for us
We are spending a shite ton of money now, to make an even larger shite ton in the future
Ukraine isnt going to be completely conquered. There will eventually be a settled peace, but Ukraine will continue to exist. Its a large country, with a large population, that will need to be rebuilt. That's what we are going to do. We are tying their own industrial and economic recovery to us. Its the marshall plan all over again and I think everyone can agree thats was a very good thing for us
We are spending a shite ton of money now, to make an even larger shite ton in the future
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, a 30 year old "pledge" doesn't mean much
I will tell that to my mortgage company
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Its Europe's issue, not ours
Wrong again.
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We've spent 3x what the UE member nations have spent
UE didn’t pledge to defend Ukraine. Besides it’s EU not UE.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 9:40 am to doubleb
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I will tell that to my mortgage company
Thats a legal contract, not a "pledge" to remove stuff from the house.
Ukraine has had 30 years. Europe has had 30 years, but we will pay, and we are broke. Will be fixing Eastern European issues with your grandchildren's money.
Every war we are involved with gets worse, and people think this one will somehow be different.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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. Will be fixing Eastern European issues with your grandchildren's money.
My tax dollars paid fir WW2, Korea and Vietnamese Nam. That’s the way it works. I have no problem if decisions made today are paid by my ancestors as long as the decisions make things safer for them. Our country has been using that strategy for decades.
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Every war we are involved with gets worse, and people think this one will somehow be different.
This is certainly not a true statement.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:26 am to Lakeboy7
I knew two guys there. They loved their jobs.
Posted on 7/17/22 at 10:26 am to doubleb
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My tax dollars paid fir WW2, Korea and Vietnamese Nam
Yep, All wars since WWII have turned out so well for us. Trillions spent, bodies piled up, no victories.
Good job, the status quo is definitely the right way. We've been in Iraq for 30 years, and left Vietnam running. I suppose another few trillion and a couple more decades will not hurt a thing.
American Firsters seem to have disappeared. I guess that was fake support for Trump.
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Biden poised to send over $1 trillion to Iran in next six years
Trillions for everyone!
This post was edited on 7/17/22 at 10:31 am
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