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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/12/22 at 5:50 pm to
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 5:50 pm to
We've heard this same lame argument 20 times in this thread SOSFAN.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 5:53 pm to
Lame? That is just being ignorant of the facts. You do know the Emperor didn't actually have new clothes right?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 5:54 pm to
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Then defeated by a handful of Pershings if memory serves me correctly


North Korea's 1950 invasion wiped out a couple of US combat task forces and chased the US/South Korean forces all the way down to the Pusan Perimeter. The US Pershing tank is certainly a match for the T34/85, that is true. However, I spoke to a US infantry combat veteran who defended the Pusan Perimeter in 1950 and he told me that those 150 T-35/85s dominated the battlefield, clear down to the Perimeter. I guess there were to few Pershings around.

Our side was fortunate that the Pusan Perimeter held out.
This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 5:56 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:17 pm to
I believe that it was 5 Pershings which held a pass against a column of T-34's knocking all of them out without sustaining more than a scratch
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:20 pm to
The only veteran I can remember know from Korea was a little buy who was at Chosin. Great friend/worse enemy sort of guy. Little fellow about 5'6" and likely weighed 120 as a Marine. He manned a machine gun due smaller target for incoming fire was standard then. They used more tracers than they were supposed to so to see what they were shooting at during night fire fights. Something like every other round
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:21 pm to
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the facts


Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10496 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:38 pm to
Quick reality check for the board.

“Biden sanctions collapse, as Ukraine piles up losses & hemorrhages cash”

“What was once the Current Thing has become a massive liability.

Europe is staring down the potential for a continental “Dark Winter,” and as each month passes, fewer countries aligned with the Biden Administration seem willing to maintain the appetite for perpetual warfare over who gets to control Ukraine.

This ruling class squabble has devastated the lives of hundreds of millions of ordinary citizens, but that didn’t change the trajectory of the conflict. It was only when the war effort became deeply unpopular did this consensus change. Poll-testing politicians are keenly aware that in both America and Europe, there is no longer a steady support for delegating untold billions in taxpayer funds and rhetorical support to this campaign.

What does this mean for the war in Ukraine? Don’t be surprised for a conclusion to the Russia-Ukraine conflict sooner rather than later.

Two realities that are worth paying attention to moving forward:

Ukraine is losing, and there are no signs that they can turn the tide of the war
After being pushed back from Kiev in the early days of the war, filling the news media and US/EU politicians with large doses of hopium, the Russian military has narrowed its focus on strategically vital and resource rich areas of Eastern Ukraine. In doing so, Moscow has remained dominant on the battlefield, thanks in large part to its ability to overpower Ukrainian forces with its artillery arsenal. The Zelensky led government is losing, and NATO armies don’t want to continue depreciating their own arsenals to assist in the propping up of its failing client.

In addition to its continuing battlefield supremacy, Russia now has time on its side, thanks to the booming commodity market and Russia’s many willing energy buyers.

Ukraine is in the polar opposite situation. Kiev is becoming a massive financial liability for the West. Even as Western powers have already allocated over 100 billions dollars in weapons and aid to Ukraine, the Zelensky-led government continues to demand incredible sums to sustain the war effort.

In some underreported signal that surfaced over the weekend:

Germany (which largely controls the EU’s finances) has reportedly been blocking a $9 billion dollar tranche to the Zelensky regime, concerned over the country’s ability to remain solvent.

The U.S.-led sanctions campaign against Russia is not working, and worse, it’s backfiring. The sanctions have transformed an already troubling global energy environment into a full blown crisis.

Europe is in such bad shape right now that their ESG-approved, climate hoaxing eco justice warrior politicians are desperately trying to fire up coal (!) power plants before the lights go out across the continent.

Meanwhile, Russia continues to capitalize on Europe’s energy vulnerability.

The Kremlin is leveraging its energy dominance to put immense pressure on European powers. On Monday, the state-run Gazprom took down its Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Europe for a minimum 10 days, citing “maintenance.” Europe isn’t buying the rhetoric. Moscow’s intentions are crystal clear.

In hindsight, it should be clear by now that the sanctions never had a chance of achieving the stated objective of bankrupting the Russian economy and slowing its military. China, India, and dozens of other countries remained neutral and continued to trade openly with Moscow. Despite U.S. pressure, they did not even consider joining the sanctions effort.

As U.S. sanctions against Russia continue to collapse, the Biden Admin may find itself being able to count the remaining parties to the coalition on one hand.

With all of these continuing crises, coupled with a historic failure on the part of the Biden Administration, don’t be shocked if the war in Ukraine comes to an end sooner rather than later.”

LINK

This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 6:39 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64355 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:44 pm to
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We've heard this same lame argument 20 times in this thread SOSFAN.


There have definitely been some lame arguments in this thread.
Posted by Palantir
I've been a Columbia House
Member since Oct 2020
691 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:44 pm to
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Don’t be surprised for a conclusion to the Russia-Ukraine conflict sooner rather than later.
You've said this every week going on 6 months now.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64355 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:45 pm to
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Tigris


Are you ignorant of our past involvement in Ukraine, or do you just not give a shite?
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:52 pm to
My father fought in Korea, he spent 9 months in the hospital. He was hit in the midsection by shrapnel from artillery. He's lucky to have survived it. He's a tough old guy, 92 Yo next month.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5765 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 6:54 pm to
Revered Ukrainian general on possibility of striking Crimean Bridge
12 July, 09:36 PM

Many Ukrainians long to see the destruction of the Kerch Bridge – the giant road and rail bridge the Kremlin illegally constructed between Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula and mainland Russia.

Now that Russia has launched all-out war in Ukraine, and Kyiv has taken delivery of sophisticated modern long-range Western artillery and missile systems, the possibility that Ukraine might indeed destroy the hated bridge had increased. But how likely is it to happen?

In a video posted on Ye Pytannia YouTube channel on July 2, General Serhiy Kryvonos, former deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council and first deputy commander of the Special Operations Forces in 2016-2019, commented on the possibility of strikes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Crimean Bridge and other targets in Russia with long-range multiple rocket launchers.

"As for the Kerch Bridge, the decision will be made by the chief director of this war, General (Valeriy) Zaluzhnyi, because he is the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," Kryvonos said.

“Time will tell what his decision will be, but I, for one, would leave a tiny gap for those rats who will flee from Crimea – when we go to liberate Crimea – so that they can escape from our land faster.”

At the same time, Kryvonos noted that Ukraine has not only the U.S. HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, but also its own Vilkha and Vilkha-M systems, which have a range of up to 120 kilometers.


The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45781 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:00 pm to


I guess Russia has finally decided to go green and reuse its old tanks instead of building new ones.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45781 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:01 pm to
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Our CIA overthrew Ukraine leadership in 2014.


If you think that the CIA overthrew Yanakovich then you are an idiot.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:15 pm to
Your source sucks. Alex Jones knows more than that guy
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45781 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:20 pm to
Detailed report on Russian artillery tactics.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16226 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:34 pm to
You hated Ronald Reagan too. Then there was CATO institute for funding the assessment of need to fight Russia
This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 7:36 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:37 pm to
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Quick reality check for the board.


I didn't read thar entire wall of text but a few things I did notice that you got wrong

quote:

Ukraine is losing, and there are no signs that they can turn the tide of the war

Clearly you haven't been paying attention that past few days. It may or may not change the course but the HIRAMS are tearing Russian ammo depots apart at a fast clip. That is a sign that it's changing. Russia claiming an operational pause is a sign as well. Will it change is yet to be seen, but to say there are no signs of it changing is just wrong

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The U.S.-led sanctions campaign against Russia is not working, and worse, it’s backfiring.


Also incorrect. Please point out how they are backfiring. The only positive news is the rubble value and that is heavily artificially inflated. Again Russia is protecting its own economy to contract by roughly 7%. That's not happening because sanctions aren't working.

quote:

On Monday, the state-run Gazprom took down its Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Europe for a minimum 10 days, citing “maintenance.” Europe isn’t buying the rhetoric. Moscow’s intentions are crystal clear.


Ummm is was scheduled maintaince. There is concern on if they will open back up but this wasn't unplanned.

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As U.S. sanctions against Russia continue to collapse


??? How are the collapsing?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12689 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:39 pm to
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You're obviously extremely naive to World affairs.


Your post was enlightening, and as a result, I’m definitely sure you do not have a better grasp of Ukrainian politics than most on this board.

But it’s not Red or Blue politics to support a sovereign country that has been invaded…
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16226 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 7:41 pm to
I understand that Earl passed away 15+ years ago.

Dad spent a year in a USN hospital in St. Louis after breaking an ankle roller skating with buddies while drunk on leave, 1942. He was there teaching diesel mechanic school after serving in the Atlantic since 1940 on a cruiser which was sinking German subs in early 1940. They even captured a German cargo ship (raider) before WWII. He loathed the cold of the Bering Straits in 1944.
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