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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:21 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:21 pm to Lima Whiskey
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No, I understand you, you’re just depraved
Nah, I'm just an empiricist. You believe what people are telling you, which isn't reality, and don't care about any other perspective. Nor do you care about the actual people involved because for you, their disease state itself is an affront to your notion of the West. I personally think it is an affront to deny care to someone with a DSD based on nothing more than media representations. The nitty-gritty details won't move you, the biology won't move you, the nuances of managing their care won't move you, nor will actually meeting some of these patients. What important to you, and other myopic reactionaries, is how you feel about a situation for which you have no understanding, and you refuse education on it, despite whatever complexity it may possess, because complexity is beyond you. So you will interfere with medical science and lose, just like you always have, and then think your only recourse is some violent return to an imagined halcyon period 'when things made sense' at whatever the cost. That's why you and your type are losers, have always lost, and always will lose.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:45 pm to Lima Whiskey
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That’s a month old, potentially older
The poster was just asking for a picture showing the condition of the highway. Maybe you take Putin’s cock out of your arse and actually read the posts you are replying to before waving the sickle and hammer flag you.

Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:58 pm to LSUPilot07
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Good lord the bullshite you spew is hilarious. You’re such a tool.
I’m starting to think that LW lives in Moscow and works for RT.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:17 pm to Malik Agar
Ugh Jos, it’s not an either or. If you had stayed the course and continued Trump’s policies we could have both.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:18 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Overarching Goal Protecting Russia
Stopping the spread of degenerate westernism, which is anti human, his words, and undermines the integrity of Russian society.
Russia will be less protected than ever and they just directly caused the expansion of westernism on their borders - fail
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quote: Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us.
quote: The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.
Stopping the rise of hostile western controlled proxies, before they become a threat to Russia. Russia can’t be caught unprepared by the West, like the Soviet Union was caught by Germany.
They are going to be responsible for doubling their border with NATO plus adding Sweden. This doesn’t count the potential future admission of Ukraine after this. - Big fail
They won’t be just caught unprepared by the west, for what they’re scared of they wont even be able to functionally prepare during/after Ukraine. - big big fail
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Secondary Goal
Correcting Historical Wrongs
quote: At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?
quote: The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.
quote: Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.
Here he makes the case for annexation through plebiscites.
The sacrifices Soviet citizens made are sacred, but the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime, illegitimate, and so its actions, including the borders it drew are illegitimate. the people were never given a choice. He argues that the west has thrown out the post war rules based order, which liberates Russia to act in its own interests, rewriting the borders based on the principle of self determination, ala Kosovo.
1. Where is the west saying we shouldn’t abide by postwar documents?
2. If the USSR was illegitimate as he said, why would the west abide by their agreements in the first place?
3. He’s right, the Ukrainians weren’t asked what they wanted after WWII BY THE USSR, which he says is illegitimate, so what exactly about the current invasion OF UKRAINE claiming its historically Russian land is asking them what they want for themselves in the name of freedom?
4. Should we take it all the way back to the Kievian Russ which included Moscow & St. Petersburg under Ukrainian control?
5. Or how about this for his anti-westernism in a reversion back to the Russian Empire:
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Emperor Peter I (1682–1725) fought numerous wars and expanded an already vast empire into a major European power. He moved the capital from Moscow to the new model city of Saint Petersburg, which was largely built according to Western design. He led a cultural revolution that replaced some of the traditionalist and medieval social and political mores with a modern, scientific, Western-oriented, and rationalist system. Empress Catherine the Great (1762–1796) presided over a golden age; she expanded the state by conquest, colonization, and diplomacy, while continuing Peter I's policy of modernization along Western European lines.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:23 pm to ruffleforeskin
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Well looks like another AZOV fortress is surrounded and not a peep about it in this thread. Estimated 2500 Hohols and 500+ mercenaries are surrounded and the OT's Lord Zelinskyy has ordered them to fight to the very last man. They could have retreated yesterday, but Fuher Zenlinskyyyy wouldn't let them.
It was sourced ITT that there were potentially around 2500 left remaining as the encirclement tightened this week. If y’all would stop slobbing Putin long enough to actually read the thread you’d know that.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:37 pm to Lima Whiskey
Have you been taking the same dope that OMLandshark has?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:42 pm to Malik Agar
Nope, he's just blaming Putin for his ineptitude
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:44 pm to DabosDynasty
It's been a few months. Is this thread still pretending Russia is a threat and the war with Ukraine is anything but a diversion from really shitty leadership in the White House?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:45 pm to DabosDynasty
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ruffleforeskin
is likely ruff fish...
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:45 pm to DabosDynasty
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4. Should we take it all the way back to the Kievian Russ which included Moscow & St. Petersburg under Ukrainian control?
Heck, let's go back further to when the Vikings held that area all the way the Volga and the Baltic area
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:50 pm to pussywillows
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ruffleforeskin
is likely ruff fish...
Russian Federation
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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quote: Do you believe in chemically castrating children and surgically mutilating their bodies?
Do you think that’s normal?
How much experience do you have in a pediatric endocrinologist clinic? Do you think that's what is going on? There are legitimate, biological and biosocial issues at hand, from a pathophysiology that is present to discrete brain changes to severe dysregulation of neuroendocrine pathways. It isn't straightforward, and you would rather deny someone with 46 XY CAIS the choice of how they would present because of some random fear about the state of Western Civilization
Do you really believe that what is happening today with kids is remotely due to 46 XY CAIS?
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It is estimated that CAIS occurs in 1 in 20,400 to 1 in 99,000 individuals with a 46,XY karyotype
That would be easy to prove phenotype females from birth with XY chromosome and undescended testicles who in most cases aren’t even suspected as being XY until periods don’t start with puberty or hernia issues before.
Or some other intersex issue
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The number of births with ambiguous genitals is in the range of 0.02% to 0.05%
Historically your XY CAIS example ends up continuing as female like at birth and heterosexual. They have large breasts, can’t have children, and tight vaginas. Probably several on the OT that would want for all 3. Yes I saw the House episode with the father doodling his hot xy model daughter.
In past intersex babies and babies with injuries to genitals were treated poorly by medical science trying to make choice by external looks at birth or after injuries to penises like during circumcision, but now we are treating far more kids and adults who have mental disorders poorly (or with kids the parents have trans Munchausen syndrome by proxie disorder). These Kids with parental induced identity disorders today are being pushed to avoid puberty entirely. That’s abuse.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:15 pm to dallastigers
Anybody remember when the pro-Russian posters were claiming that the Battle for Sievierodonetsk was going to won by the Russians in less than a week? It's been 6 weeks and it still is not over.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:17 pm to TigerDoc
Putin's speech at Munich in 2007 shows his refusal to face actual and complete facts. He whined about how 26% of investment in oil/gas by western nations was allowed but makes no mention how all of that development post USSR was being funded by the World Bank and they Russia lacked the technology to drill for oil and not cause lakes of oil to appear on the frozen tundra.
As far as technology available to the West out of Russia, not a whole lot was there. Their economy was on meeting multi year plans including forced use of extra steel for process equipment (with lower standards of welding) to have reason to use the steel. Additionally, buildings were forced to use so much rebar that concrete had a hard time getting between the rebar to surround it and fill voids making for less strong structures.
Some Russians oligarchs did invest in Europe and the USA, but so to keep Putin's greasy fingers off of the technology development PLUS no one, especially Russians would believe the results if successful if the success was documented in Russia. Books are cooked constantly in Russia, it's a way of life there. I've been directly involved with such projects.
As far as technology available to the West out of Russia, not a whole lot was there. Their economy was on meeting multi year plans including forced use of extra steel for process equipment (with lower standards of welding) to have reason to use the steel. Additionally, buildings were forced to use so much rebar that concrete had a hard time getting between the rebar to surround it and fill voids making for less strong structures.
Some Russians oligarchs did invest in Europe and the USA, but so to keep Putin's greasy fingers off of the technology development PLUS no one, especially Russians would believe the results if successful if the success was documented in Russia. Books are cooked constantly in Russia, it's a way of life there. I've been directly involved with such projects.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:27 pm to WeeWee
[quote]nybody remember when the pro-Russian posters were claiming that the Battle for Sievierodonetsk was going to won by the Russians in less than a week? It's been 6 weeks and it still is not over.[/quot
I remember the ones saying the battle for Kyiv would be over in 48 hours. The fact that we’ve gone from Discussing Kyiv to fricking Sevierdonetsk tells you all you need to know about how Putin’s war objectives have gone.
I remember the ones saying the battle for Kyiv would be over in 48 hours. The fact that we’ve gone from Discussing Kyiv to fricking Sevierdonetsk tells you all you need to know about how Putin’s war objectives have gone.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:32 pm to REG861
ISW June 22nd
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Key Takeaways
Russian forces continued to make gains to the south of Lysychansk and will likely reach the city in the coming days, although they are unlikely to quickly capture the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area.
Russian forces continued offensive operations towards Slovyansk and made minor advances.
Russian forces intensified efforts to interdict Ukrainian lines of communication along the T1302 Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway in order to support Russian operations towards Lysychansk.
Russian forces focused on defensive operations along the Southern Axis and may have made marginal gains within Mykolaiv Oblast.
Russian authorities are continuing measures to facilitate the economic integration of occupied areas.
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Reinforced Russian air-defense systems in eastern Ukraine are increasingly limiting the effectiveness of Ukrainian drones, undermining a key Ukrainian capability in the war.
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Members of the Russian military community continue to comment on the shortcomings of Russian force generation capabilities, which are having tangible impacts on the morale and discipline of Russians fighting in Ukraine.
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Ukrainian forces conducted a drone strike (likely with a loitering munition, though this cannot be confirmed) on a Russian oil refinery in Novoshakhtinsk, Rostov Oblast, on June 22
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:54 pm to dallastigers
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Do you really believe that what is happening today with kids is remotely due to 46 XY CAIS?
No, but I think the same pathophysiology is at play (as the preliminary brain scan data indicates), or rather, evidence of the same neuroendocrine dysfunction, with the difference being that one version has an identifiable genetic cause (which exists along a spectrum due to mutations or hormone resistance at the single-copy AR-gene on the X chromosome, CAG AR receptor polymorphism at Xq11-12 and other sites), although there are some cases of androgen insensitivity with no identifiable mutation at the AR gene specifically. My own theory after collecting 'field research' (as in talking to several transwomen) is that the possibility of transient cortisol dysregulation during key phases of embryo development, but I haven't done a deep literature dive yet.
Indeed preliminary research suggests a lot of possible causes but people aren't really interested in that, and would rather use these people as pawns to gain political points or use them to signify some wider attack on Western Civilization, which is idiotic.
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That would be easy to prove phenotype females from birth with XY chromosome and undescended testicles who in most cases aren’t even suspected as being XY until periods don’t start with puberty or hernia issues before.
Except in cases where their is no AR-gene dysfunction, which I alluded to earlier, but still present clinical signs.
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Or some other intersex issue
Of which there are several.
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Historically your XY CAIS example ends up continuing as female like at birth and heterosexual. They have large breasts, can’t have children, and tight vaginas. Probably several on the OT that would want for all 3. Yes I saw the House episode with the father doodling his hot xy model daughter.
How many have you seen clinically?
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In past intersex babies and babies with injuries to genitals were treated poorly by medical science trying to make choice by external looks at birth or injuries to penises, but now we are treating far more kids and adults who have mental disorders poorly (or with kids the parents have trans Munchausen syndrome by proxie disorder). These Kids with parental induced identity disorders today are being pushed to avoid puberty entirely. That’s abuse.
I hate to tell you, but we still treat them poorly.
Also, do you think mental disorders don't have pathophysiologies?
My point is more broadly on political interference in medical science, as well as the focus that this disease state in particular is some example of Western decadence and also decline, when the on-the-ground clinical reality is far more complicated. To get a GD diagnosis as a child, you need persistent symptoms for six months and in six of eight categories, which are difficult to fake. My own experience was at a clinic that primarily served immigrant families who often didn't speak English, and were referred to that clinic because of persistent dysfunction, so I'm skeptical of any claim that they were influenced by larger cultural trends. Obviously more study is needed on the best approach to handle these patients, but if we found a distinct genetic cause in each and every patient, what exactly would that change? If we have two pathophysiologies with similar physical and clinical profiles, why should we include one as worthy of treatment and exclude the other as not worthy of treatment based on the fact of an identifiable cause?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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No, but I think the same pathophysiology is at play (as the preliminary brain scan data indicates), or rather, evidence of the same neuroendocrine dysfunction,……..
Not thanking this one because y’all are way too far off topic.
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