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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:00 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:00 pm to Chromdome35
If there is any substantial damage at all, they are going to have big problems getting equipment and material in for those repairs.
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:09 pm to Chromdome35
A few economic things that have happened due to this war as well. The BRICS are looking to form a new reserve currency due to the monetary warfare that has taken place around both Euros and USDs
But the press releases from China and Russia about this are both
and cringe worthy
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For those that don't know, BRICS consist of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa
But the press releases from China and Russia about this are both
and cringe worthy quote:
BRICS basket-based international reserve currency under consideration — Putin
While strengthening economic, technological and scientific potential, Russia is ready to openly work with all fair partners on principles of respect to interests of each other, unconditional supremacy of international law, and equality of countries and peoples, the Russian President also noted
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China will continue to enhance opening-up and foster a business environment that is based on market principles, governed by law and up to international standards, President Xi said in virtual format at the opening ceremony of the #BRICS Business Forum on Wednesday.
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For those that don't know, BRICS consist of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:13 pm to TacoNash
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The Russian embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment
I want to be the guy that gets to call the embassies and people for news stories. It would be good for my trash talking game.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:16 pm to StormyMcMan
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The Belarusian military is digging trenches near the borders with Ukraine, Poland and Lithuania, according to the monitoring group "Belarus Gayan". According to journalists, Belarus has also updated the location of checkpoints in border areas.
Well that’s interesting. They keep playing up Poland wanting this area too and now they’re digging trenches.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:32 pm to notiger1997
Obviously substantial damage. If had of been built during Soviet era the boom would have been bigger even though the steel twice as thick.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:48 pm to StormyMcMan
Reminds me of press releases of the latest greatest technology, more about getting investors by being trending on the news cycle than being effective.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:53 pm to crazy4lsu
Putin’s speech announcing the invasion.
LINK
Immediate Core Goals in Ukraine
The destruction of the Ukrainian Army, to the point that it will not pose a post war threat.
Removing the right wing nationalists from power.
Nuremberg style trials for the people Russia considers criminals.
Examples include the people who ordered the shelling of Donetsk over the last eight years, and the individuals who burned the Trade Union House in Odessa in 2014, killing the pro Russian protesters.
Overarching Goal
Protecting Russia
Stopping the spread of degenerate westernism, which is anti human, his words, and undermines the integrity of Russian society.
Stopping the rise of hostile western controlled proxies, before they become a threat to Russia. Russia can’t be caught unprepared by the West, like the Soviet Union was caught by Germany.
Putin, and Russias elites, believe the US seeks the destruction of Russia. He continues saying that this has been US policy since Russia reemerged after the collapse of the USSR.
Putin believes that Russia must settle the issue militarily, on Russias terms, before Ukraine grows stronger. War was inevitable.
Secondary Goal
Correcting Historical Wrongs
Here he makes the case for annexation through plebiscites.
The sacrifices Soviet citizens made are sacred, but the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime, illegitimate, and so its actions, including the borders it drew are illegitimate. the people were never given a choice. He argues that the west has thrown out the post war rules based order, which liberates Russia to act in its own interests, rewriting the borders based on the principle of self determination, ala Kosovo.
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Immediate Core Goals in Ukraine
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“We will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation,”
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seek to demilitarise
The destruction of the Ukrainian Army, to the point that it will not pose a post war threat.
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denazify Ukraine
Removing the right wing nationalists from power.
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bring to trial
Nuremberg style trials for the people Russia considers criminals.
Examples include the people who ordered the shelling of Donetsk over the last eight years, and the individuals who burned the Trade Union House in Odessa in 2014, killing the pro Russian protesters.
Overarching Goal
Protecting Russia
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they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature
Stopping the spread of degenerate westernism, which is anti human, his words, and undermines the integrity of Russian society.
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Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us.
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The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.
Stopping the rise of hostile western controlled proxies, before they become a threat to Russia. Russia can’t be caught unprepared by the West, like the Soviet Union was caught by Germany.
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For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation.
Putin, and Russias elites, believe the US seeks the destruction of Russia. He continues saying that this has been US policy since Russia reemerged after the collapse of the USSR.
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They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass
Putin believes that Russia must settle the issue militarily, on Russias terms, before Ukraine grows stronger. War was inevitable.
Secondary Goal
Correcting Historical Wrongs
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At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?
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The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.
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Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.
Here he makes the case for annexation through plebiscites.
The sacrifices Soviet citizens made are sacred, but the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime, illegitimate, and so its actions, including the borders it drew are illegitimate. the people were never given a choice. He argues that the west has thrown out the post war rules based order, which liberates Russia to act in its own interests, rewriting the borders based on the principle of self determination, ala Kosovo.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:02 pm to Lima Whiskey
Sounds like Stalinism
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:03 pm to DabosDynasty
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June 22 (Reuters) - Moscow's response to Lithuania's ban on the transit of goods sanctioned by the EU to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad will not be exclusively diplomatic but practical in nature, the spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday.
"One of the main questions has been about whether the response would be exclusively diplomatic. The answer: no," Maria Zakharova said at her weekly briefing. "The response will not be diplomatic but practical."
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:06 pm to doubleb
The show trials definitely are Stalinesque. He certainly likes Stalin more than Lenin who he blames for creating Ukraine (except that Ukraine created itself and Lenin just came along and made it a Soviet Socialist Republic).
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:08 pm to doubleb
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Sounds like Stalinism
well he did call the Ukrainians Trotskyites so LW is apparently pro-Stalin. Not that it wasn't glaringly obvious from his other posts.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:10 pm to StormyMcMan
Get a number Lithuania, Russia has to fight:
Ukraine
All NATO countries
All countries that signed off on any sanction
Sweden
Finland
Ukraine
All NATO countries
All countries that signed off on any sanction
Sweden
Finland
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:12 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The destruction of the Ukrainian Army, to the point that it will not pose a post war threat.
Won't happen, unless you believe that 100k number you suggested earlier, which, at 118 days into the conflict, suggests upwards of 800+ troop losses a day, every day, since the beginning of the conflict. Which beggars belief for lots of reasons, namely the notion that the Ukrainians are organized enough to have that many troops in position to actually have contact with Russian forces, but are also too unorganized to mount any type of cogent resistance.
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Removing the right wing nationalists from power.
Who are these people?
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Nuremberg style trials for the people Russia considers criminals.
Examples include the people who ordered the shelling of Donetsk over the last eight years, and the individuals who burned the Opera House in Kiev in 2014, killing the pro Russian protesters.
Who are these people?
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Stopping the spread of degenerate westernism, which is anti human, his words, and undermines the integrity of Russian society.
Lol. Just reactionary nonsense.
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Stopping the rise of hostile western controlled proxies, before they become a threat to Russia. Russia can’t be caught unprepared by the West, like the Soviet Union was caught by Germany.
This is idiotic on the part of the Russian elite. The threat of invasion from the European Plain is so minimal it might as well be fantasy. Even if they get to the Carpathians, their security situation is going to be so poor that the more skillful move would have been to gain concessions through the troop build-up alone. They engineered the literal 'worst-case' scenario all through their lonesome, and proved the countries formerly in the Russian sphere-of-influence right to be wary of them and seek Western protection. The geopolitics of this is pure paranoid fantasy.
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Putin, and Russias elites, believe the US seeks the destruction of Russia. He continues saying that this has been US policy since Russia reemerged after the collapse of the USSR.
The US took and has taken a defensive realist position since 1991 and again have been proven right.
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Putin believes that Russia must settle the issue militarily, on Russias terms, before Ukraine grows stronger. War was inevitable.
An utterly nonsensical position on Putin's part, especially given the long-term possibilities.
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which liberates Russia to act in its own interests, rewriting the borders based on the principle of self determination
Again, more reactionary nonsense. Russia seems to think it is the 18th century again, when the world has clearly moved on. Putin's visions of the future are just hallucinations of the past. The Russian elite have gotten the world they wanted, but somehow I suspect they still won't like it.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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Removing the right wing nationalists from power.
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Who are these people?
For Putin and Russian hawks, anyone in Ukraine who chooses independent Ukrainian statehood over being a Russian province is a "Banderite" which they don't distinguish from Nazis because some Ukrainian nationalists chose to fight Stalin in the 40's. He's been saying the bullshite so long, I think he's come to believe it.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:35 pm to TigerDoc
Well looks like another AZOV fortress is surrounded and not a peep about it in this thread. Estimated 2500 Hohols and 500+ mercenaries are surrounded and the OT's Lord Zelinskyy has ordered them to fight to the very last man. They could have retreated yesterday, but Fuher Zenlinskyyyy wouldn't let them.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:37 pm to TigerDoc
Yeah it's typical reactionary nonsense. 'Self-determination for me and not for thee. And also your self-determination represents a danger to my security, ergo you don't get to have self-determination.'
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:39 pm to crazy4lsu
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suggests upwards of 800+ troop losses a day, every day
Yes
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Who are these people?
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Who are these people?
Mostly Galicians, ultranationalists from western Ukraine, and what was once Poland. While no more than perhaps 8% of the electorate, they dominate the decision making process in Kiev.
Zelensky is powerless to control them.
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Just reactionary nonsense.
Western society is collapsing because of the breakdown in basic human norms.
Look at the collapse of extended families, the rise of single parent homes, and the decay in our communities.
Look at the normalization of transsexualism, and the push to make pedophilia “okay.”
We’re peddling evil.
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The threat of invasion from the European Plain is so minimal it might as well be fantasy.
We staged revolutions in both Serbia, and Ukraine. We encouraged the Georgian War. And we attempted to overthrow the government in Belarus. While concurrently expanding NATO.
Simultaneously, we funded anti government movements inside Russia.
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The US took and has taken a defensive realist position since 1991 and again have been proven right.
You’re distorting the meaning of the English language.
To expand NATO, to overthrow foreign governments in Eastern Europe, to create friendly anti-Russian client states, these are aggressive and hostile acts. And unsurprisingly, the Russians saw it that way.
Rather than seek mutual agreeable security compromises, we attempted to beggar the Russians.
And now, because of these moronic policies, we have a conventional war in Europe.
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Russia seems to think it is the 18th century again, when the world has clearly moved on.
You believe in the end of history, kumbaya. That’s millennial religious thinking.
Human nature doesn’t change. We’re not moving to some idealized future, where everyone is nice.
Borders are ultimately an expression of national power. Russia is going to take what it wants, because Ukraine can’t stop them.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We’re not moving to some idealized future, where everyone is nice.
Send that to Mr Putin, he needs to hear it.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:42 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Western society is collapsing because of the breakdown in basic human norms. Look at the collapse of extended families, the rise of single parent homes, and the decay in our communities. Look at the normalization of transsexualism, and the push to make pedophilia “okay.” We’re peddling evil.
What did I say. Might as well go ahead and throw out adrenochrome and child sacrifice and save yourself and us the trouble of reading all the other talking points you’re camouflaging your inner Q with.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 4:45 pm to REG861
Do you believe in chemically castrating children and surgically mutilating their bodies?
Do you think that’s normal?
Do you think that’s normal?
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