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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:42 pm to
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I understand the Russians attempted yet another wet crossing by pontoon bridge across the Siverski Donets River, at the same location of the last two disasters. The Ukrainians reportedly mined the pontoon bridge and the Russians again suffered serious losses.


I’m not sure you could make up a poorer series of decisions and their implementation.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:51 pm to
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so when is that going to start?


It already happened. The pre war army has been destroyed.

They’ve sustained more than 100,000 casualties at this point. And they’re short on all heavy weapons. They’ve lost half of their tanks.

The Ukrainians will keep feeding conscripts into the front, but it only slows down the inevitable.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:58 pm to
I understand your view; however, at this point in the war, I disagree that Russia winning is inevitable.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:11 pm to
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s: Russia-Ukraine Conflict by Chromdome35
I understand your view; however, at this point in the war, I disagree that Russia winning is inevitable.



The thing is what would a Russian win look like?
Initially it was to conquer Ukraine, but that has changed.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5996 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:17 pm to
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The Ukrainians will keep feeding conscripts into the front, but it only slows down the inevitable.


On a scale of Russia takes full control of Luhansk and Russia takes full control of all of Ukraine, what is your definition of inevitable at this point?
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5996 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:22 pm to
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Wow. What Tokayev said is an insult to Putin. But where he said it is very significant. Right on Putin's St. Petersburg International Economic Forum stage, with Russian TV cameras rolling.


Maybe the most surprising turn of events so far to me is that almost to a stan the former Soviet central Asian countries have told the Russian federation to get fricked when it comes to Ukraine.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:33 pm to
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understand the Russians attempted yet another wet crossing by pontoon bridge across the Siverski Donets River, at the same location of the last two disasters. The Ukrainians reportedly mined the pontoon bridge and the Russians again suffered serious losses.
1 confirmation 1 uncertain RU still using unsecured comms it’s killing them as more precision guided artillery enters on UA side. Putin according to my Russian guy simply can’t continue replacing military generals, GRU and FSB guys he’s running out of personnel. Oh and Luka pressured like crazy to threaten to enter the war, he’s repeatedly told Putain that they can’t muster the personnel to do this.
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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:35 pm to
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Maybe the most surprising turn of events so far to me is that almost to a stan the former Soviet central Asian countries have told the Russian federation to get fricked when it comes to Ukraine.
It's been said before and we may be getting ahead of ourselves a bit, but you have to wonder how many additional breakaway republics we'll see established before this is all over.

Follow the pipelines...
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8682 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:43 pm to
So questions that you can’t answer because you don’t have a pro Russian way to spin it are not interesting to you. Check. You’re a frickstick. Check.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45761 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 4:09 pm to
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I understand your view; however, at this point in the war, I disagree that Russia winning is inevitable.



Demilitarize and denazify Ukraine => CNN talking point.
Major assault and a month long attempt to capture Kyiv => just a feint the real goal was to conquer the Donbas.
Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and the most powerful naval asset in the area gets sunk => it had outdated technology like fire suppression equipment and Russia was planning on replacing it with a frigate anyway.
Pushed back across the international border from Kharkiv => just another feint.
Suffering over 15,000 casualties to conquer a militarily insignificant city which Russia still does not have control of after almost a month of fighting => Russia's is making steady progress in Ukraine.

Russia winning was always inevitable if you get your news from people like Lima Whiskey, Stidham, Timmy, and Palmetto. Whenever, Russia suffers a setback they just move the goalposts.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5753 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 4:16 pm to
Mariupol: Before And After

Aerial footage captures contrasting images of the city of Mariupol before and after February 24, when Russia launched its military invasion of Ukraine.

RFE/RL's Ukrainian Service

This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 4:17 pm
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 4:56 pm to
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Aerial footage captures contrasting images of the city of Mariupol before and after February 24, when Russia launched its military invasion of Ukraine.
Thats what Russian " liberation" looks like bro.
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

Demilitarize and denazify Ukraine => CNN talking point.
Major assault and a month long attempt to capture Kyiv => just a feint the real goal was to conquer the Donbas.
Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and the most powerful naval asset in the area gets sunk => it had outdated technology like fire suppression equipment and Russia was planning on replacing it with a frigate anyway.
Pushed back across the international border from Kharkiv => just another feint.
Suffering over 15,000 casualties to conquer a militarily insignificant city which Russia still does not have control of after almost a month of fighting => Russia's is making steady progress in Ukraine.


There is propaganda & then there is alternate reality. Russia is in N Korean territory when it comes to misinformation.

Russian Foreign minister claims Russia never invaded Ukraine
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:12 pm to
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Russians units that captured Lyman are so combat ineffective due to massive losses that they are unable to cross the river.
Ukrainian defenders made sure they paid for every inch of Lyman and it shows.



I wonder who could have taught the Ukrainians to be so effective at defense in depth..............
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8189 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:14 pm to
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#Russian forces made marginal gains on the outskirts of #Severodonetsk but have largely stalled along other axes. Mounting losses and troop and equipment degradation will complicate Russian operations elsewhere in #Ukraine.

Read the latest report:

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-18


quote:

Russian forces made marginal gains on the outskirts of Severodonetsk on June 18 but have largely stalled along other axes of advance. Russian troops are likely facing mounting losses and troop and equipment degradation that will complicate attempts to renew offensive operations on other critical locations as the slow battle for Severodonetsk continues. As ISW previously assessed, Russian forces will likely be able to seize Severodonetsk in the coming weeks, but at the cost of concentrating most of their available forces in this small area. Other Russian operations in eastern Ukraine—such as efforts to capture Slovyansk and advance east of Bakhmut—have made little progress in the past two weeks. Russian forces are continuing to fight to push Ukrainian troops away from occupied frontiers north of Kharkiv City and along the Southern Axis, but have not made significant gains in doing so, thus leaving them vulnerable to Ukrainian counteroffensive and partisan pressure.

The Russian military continues to face challenges with the morale and discipline of its troops in Ukraine. The Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate released what it reported were intercepted phone calls on June 17 and 18 in which Russian soldiers complained about frontline conditions, poor equipment, and overall lack of personnel.[1] One soldier claimed that units have been largely drained of personnel and that certain battalion tactical groups (BTGs) have only 10 to 15 troops remaining in service.[2]
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 5:16 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45761 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:14 pm to
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Aerial footage captures contrasting images of the city of Mariupol before and after February 24, when Russia launched its military invasion of Ukraine. Thats what Russian " liberation" looks like bro.


That is what almost everything Russian looks like.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:15 pm to
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I understand the Russians attempted yet another wet crossing by pontoon bridge across the Siverski Donets River, at the same location of the last two disasters. The Ukrainians reportedly mined the pontoon bridge and the Russians again suffered serious losses.


Its going to be a long AAR after this for the Russians. A couple of non sustains: River crossings and holding an airfield.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13166 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:23 pm to
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Russia is in N Korean territory when it comes to misinformation.


Putin's been busy rolling back the clock to the glorious (in his mind) Soviet era. The only problem is that Russia has no where near the clout of the Soviet Union. A rerun from hundreds of pages ago:


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:25 pm to
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They’ve sustained more than 100,000 casualties at this point.


Where are you getting this from? 100k beggars belief.

quote:

The Ukrainians will keep feeding conscripts into the front, but it only slows down the inevitable.


You know we could talk about the inevitable conclusions of the result of this war for Russia if they actually win, but for some reason we can't talk about the absolutely retarded stated geopolitical reasons.
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 5:26 pm
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