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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/17/22 at 9:41 pm to
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 9:41 pm to
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Russian losses will be much lower. They’re being very cautious.

Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 9:46 pm to
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Once Ukrainian forces immobilized themselves in static defensive positions inside urban areas and the central Donbas, the Ukrainian position was hopeless.


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Ground-combat forces that immobilize soldiers in prepared defenses will be identified, targeted, and destroyed from a distance. When persistent overhead intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, whether manned or unmanned, are linked to precision guided-strike weapons or modern artillery systems informed by accurate targeting data, “holding ground” is fatal to any ground force.


Col. Douglas Macgregor

LINK


Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 9:54 pm to
You ignored my question I have a feeling you can’t answer it. Do you condone Putin’s threats to use nuclear weapons if Russia’s sovereignty is threatened just like he has done invading a sovereign country in Ukraine? Please explain how one is justified and the other isn’t.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 10:02 pm to
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Vigilant News@VigilantinfoN

9h

Kazakh president #Tokayev while speaking at #SPIEF-2022, described the "#LNR" and "#DNR" as "failed states" and said it is likely that #Kazakhstan would not recognise them.



Plot twist: Putin was on the stage with him when he said it.
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 10:32 pm to
Tokayev is cozying up to the West as he knows that the Russia that installed him in power may be too dysfunctional to keep him in power in the long run. He’s trying not to get Qaddafi’d if shite hits the fan there due to the economy or some similar factors.

Do you have a link to the tweet?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:18 pm to
Ok so Ukraine has been behind defensive positions througout this war and Russia has had ample time to do exactly what Col Macgregor describes...so when is that going to start?

I don't think Russia has that ability, they haven't demonstrated it yet.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 11:19 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:26 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:33 pm to
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??#Lukashenko declared that #Belarus will protect western #Ukraine from #Poland: "We cannot allow the Poles to encircle us at all. That is a dangerous option. And I once said: if the #Ukrainians will ask us with the #Russians to help them to keep their integrity, we will do so". LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:33 pm to
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There are Unconfirmed reports that Romania and Bulgaria have responded to the United States/Ukraine’s request for them to restart production on 152mm Artillery Shells to provide to the Ukrainian Military by reopening at least 2 Soviet Era Munitions Factories. LINK
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:37 pm to
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1537711700652306433
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Its now been more than 4 weeks since the great Popasna breakthrough by the Russians, which supposedly heralded the collapse of the SDonetsk/Lysychansk pocket. And how far have the Russians actually advanced in that month?

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There greatest advances have been about 15 kilometres (10 miles). Yet they haven’t taken Bakhmut and they haven’t even cut the roads to SDonetsk.




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To the north the Russian advance was even less. They took Lyman, but since then have hardly moved. Indeed the @GeneralStaffUA update for a while has said there has been very little movement in that area (indeed in the whole pocket) by the Russians. This morning below.

Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:44 pm to
That would take time. I’d expect these plants to have been shut down for many years so it would take several months to probably even getting it running again so Ukraine would need to hold out until then. It would be huge though to give Ukraine the ability to use their Soviet era artillery pieces in conjunction with the western artillery systems and go a long way to evening the odds a bit in artillery although they would still be at a disadvantage. I think I read somewhere they have about 400 152mm howitzers that they just ran out of ammo for.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 11:59 pm to
Ukraine appears to now occupy at least 50% of Severodonetsk if not more. They ceded the city's center, but took areas on the west side yesterday while taking back the center today, and contesting ground on the east near the airport for several days.

Another Russian general has fallen. This time near Poposna. A major general.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:03 am to
https://mobile.twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1537910409490862081
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Ukrainian Counteroffensive-Izyum (West) Frontline
Ukrainian forces launched a counteroffensive south west of Izyum and liberated Dmytrivka. UA continue to fight in the forest west of Izyum and launch probing attacks on Russian defences east of Velyka Komyshuvakha.

Thoughts: Ukrainian forces counteroffensives west of Izyum are likely to pin down Russian units and threaten their flank as they attempt to push North of Slovyansk.
It also opens the window for UA to bring more forces in and threaten Izyum centre.


Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:07 am to
Interesting the comment about drone shortages. As the war goes on, Ukraine has a better chance to resupply drones than Russia does. Will China come to their aid? I don't think they will.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1537807309295992833
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#Ukraine: An interesting drone was captured by Ukrainian forces - a Supercam S450 belonging to the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia.
This drone is intended primarily for civilian purposes, but apparently, due to serious lack of UAVs it was reoriented for military use.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:10 am to
Necessity is the mother of invention

https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1537746609856978944
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More UA innovation: a B-8M1 rocket pod, firing 80mm S-8 pattern rockets from an improvised launcher (Marked "Bees")

The B-8M1 is intended for air use & is shorter range than Grads; but can still be effective.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:16 am to
When you fly that low you don't have any room.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1537469034123386881
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Excellent footage of this Russian Mi-35M taken down today by a MANPADS at very low level.

Conflicting locations & missile ID are given by different sources: either way this is among the most clear shootdown footage yet & shows the danger that wide MANPADS usage poses.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:32 am to
Ok, this is badass

This is thermal video of an MRLS barrage in flight
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1537742287102279680
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Orlan-10 UAV footage of Russian MLRS fire on Ukrainian positions in Kharkiv Oblast.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:54 am to
God bless Babushka Z!

Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:03 am to
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Oh please, it’s people like you who said I was a traitor if I was against blowing kids apart in Iraq.
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You keep saying this. Serious question: how old were you when the US invaded Iraq?
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Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:15 am to
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Russian losses will be much lower. They’re being very cautious.

They also have large stockpiles of heavy weapons. There’s no scenario where they run out of tanks or artillery, for example.

The Ukrainians however are very short on heavy weapons. And that is a problem for them.
You've spent the last few months telling us about the overwhelming Russian firepower and how the Ukrainians are on the doorstep of defeat.

Maybe it's just me but I'm starting to think you don't know what the frick you're talking about.
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