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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/15/22 at 4:59 pm to SOSFAN
Posted on 6/15/22 at 4:59 pm to SOSFAN
In 2022 (not counting Ukraine) the US is providing about $47B to other countries. List in this article.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreign-aid-by-country
Personally, I'd rather give the money to weaken Russia than to most of the countries on this list.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-foreign-aid-by-country
Personally, I'd rather give the money to weaken Russia than to most of the countries on this list.
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Foreign aid is money that is given by the United States government to governments of other nations. According to the Congressional Research Service, there are five categories of foreign aid: economic assistance, humanitarian aid, multilateral economic contributions, bilateral development aid, and military aid.
The U.S. provides aid to countries that are recovering from war, developing countries, and countries that are strategically important to the U.S. In 2019 (the most recent year for which comprehensive numbers have been released), the U.S. spent over $47 billion on foreign aid – about the same as 2018 and $1 billion more than in 2017. More than 35% of that aid went to ten countries.
10 countries that receive the most U.S. foreign aid:
Afghanistan ($4.89 billion)
Israel ($3.3 billion)
Jordan ($1.72 billion)
Egypt ($1.46 billion)
Iraq ($960 million)
Ethiopia ($922 million)
Yemen ($809 million)
Colombia ($800 million)
Nigeria ($793 million)
Lebanon ($790 million)
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 5:01 pm
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:02 pm to TBoy
I don’t get what people are arguing… so we should have just let Russia overrun Ukraine bc aiding the ukes hurt our economy?… what exactly would that scenario have done for the global economy?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:09 pm to Chromdome35
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I wonder how many we have and how long it will take to replace the 200K already given.
This may have some info. I'm sure the cuts are being revisited but it does have some production info on the various types of rounds.
Army to cut 155 mm artillery spending, citing budget pressure
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:17 pm to nitwit
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I wish admins would intervene, so we can discuss the conflict in Ukraine.
This X100.
We don’t give a flyingfrick how you feel about the war or if we should be in it. Let’s keep this thread about updates, etc.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:19 pm to Chromdome35
So here's a follow-up (a dated one) on the decline in our Ammunition manufacturing capabilities. This is a DoD study from 1997.
I think one could reasonably assume that it has further declined from what is discussed in this study.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-96-133.pdf
Some highlights (bolding added by me):
I think one could reasonably assume that it has further declined from what is discussed in this study.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/nsiad-96-133.pdf
Some highlights (bolding added by me):
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DOD's war reserve requirements are now based on the need to fight two nearly simultaneous major regional conflicts. Key assumptions in this new plan are (1) each conflict will be intense and short in duration (60 to 120 days); (2) the military will rely on existing stocks for the entire duration of the conflicts; (3) there will not be a significant surge in ammunition production during the conflicts; and (4) following the conflicts, ammunition items will be replenished to a designated level within a specified time frame, to prepare for the next conflict.
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When we discussed the ammunition shortages caused by industrial base problems with service officials and reviewed DOD's industrial base studies, we did not identify any industrial base problems that would keep the military from fighting two major regional conflicts, as required by the current Defense Planning Guidance, or from replenishing the stockpile. However, ammunition shortages that result from funding problems will not be filled by a surging industrial base because the current guidance does not require the base to have a surge capability, as in the past. DOD officials stated that shortages of preferred munitions will be likely if two major regional conflicts arise and that shortages will be met with substitute munitions. This substitution is in accordance with the current Defense Planning Guidance.
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In addition to the DOD industrial base studies, several private organizations have studied the industrial base. However, most of the private studies have concluded that the industrial base is inadequate to meet the services' ammunition requirements. One such study was completed in June 1994 by the Committee for the Common Defense, the national security arm of the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution. The study concluded that the nation's ammunition industrial base was “rapidly-deteriorating.º The report based this conclusion primarily on the Korean War experience, but it also pointed out that the 323,000 tons of preferred munitions7 in the current U.S. stockpile represented less than the amount of ammunition sent to the Persian Gulf region in 1990 and 1991 for Operation Desert Storm.8 A private study conducted for the Munitions Industrial Base Task Force also found that the ammunition industrial base could not repeat the performance of Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. It stated that the industrial base could not support the demands of one major regional conflict, much less two simultaneously. However, the task force study assumed that the major regional conflicts would last 180 days, much longer than DOD's projected 60-120 days.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:21 pm to Chromdome35
I don’t think we could sustain war of this tempo.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:24 pm to lowspark12
Helping Ukraine isn’t hurting our economy.
And anybody wanting 40b in capital dumped in to the middle of this economy isn’t very smart.
And anybody wanting 40b in capital dumped in to the middle of this economy isn’t very smart.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:28 pm to Lima Whiskey
Me either.
We currently have 1 ONE facility in the country that can manufacture M1 Tanks. It currently takes 5 months to manufacture one of them.
If we get into a major conflict, we do not have the ability to replace our losses. Weapon systems are too complex for the local automotive plant to just retool and start cranking out tanks.
We currently have 1 ONE facility in the country that can manufacture M1 Tanks. It currently takes 5 months to manufacture one of them.
If we get into a major conflict, we do not have the ability to replace our losses. Weapon systems are too complex for the local automotive plant to just retool and start cranking out tanks.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:31 pm to notiger1997
Malcontent News is reporting that the mass graves visible on satellite imagery in Chornobaivka, about one kilometer east of the Russian base in Kherson, has grown by approximately 4,000 square meters. "depending on the arrangement that is enough for 1,000 to 6,000 additional corpses."
Their reporting is backed up by their situation reports, that have detailed sourcing listed and documented. tiktok link but through browser
Their reporting is backed up by their situation reports, that have detailed sourcing listed and documented. tiktok link but through browser
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:32 pm to Chromdome35
We need to reindustrialize.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:34 pm to Lakeboy7
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Helping Ukraine isn’t hurting our economy.
If anything it will help keep our manufacturing base busy which is of utmost strategic importance.
Here's a good article about the fluctuation in defense spending and the impact on the defense manufacturing base.
https://taskandpurpose.com/popular/lima-tank-plant/
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Putting together a battle tank is no small feat. It takes five months to produce a single Abrams. The plant currently completes eight of them a month. A few years ago, only one was coming off the line just to keep it warm. With the hiring of hundreds more workers, General Dynamics expects to get up to 34 a month.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:34 pm to notiger1997
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:36 pm to SOSFAN
Russia was building up troops for months on the Ukraine border. Everything said Putin was lying about not invading so why didn't we start sending massive weapons and ammunition from the start? It very well could have made Putin back down.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:38 pm to Lima Whiskey
Something we both agree on!
I travel frequently across the country. It's sobering to see all the shutdown and empty manufacturing facilities that are present in every single town/city. Those closed facilities represented not only jobs for those who worked there, but jobs across the community that provided goods and services to the people who worked for the plants.
Its the root of the decline of the middle class and the current issues that are affecting our country. We gave up the one thing that made the USA the strongest country in the world so we could get cheap shite from China.
I travel frequently across the country. It's sobering to see all the shutdown and empty manufacturing facilities that are present in every single town/city. Those closed facilities represented not only jobs for those who worked there, but jobs across the community that provided goods and services to the people who worked for the plants.
Its the root of the decline of the middle class and the current issues that are affecting our country. We gave up the one thing that made the USA the strongest country in the world so we could get cheap shite from China.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:39 pm to Chromdome35
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travel frequently across the country. It's sobering to see all the shut down and empty manufacturing facilities that are present in every single town/city of this country. Those closed facilities represented not only jobs for those who worked there, but jobs across the community that provided goods and services to the people who worked for the plants.
Its the root of the decline of the middle class and the current issues that are affecting our country. We gave up the one thing that made the USA the strongest country in the world so we could get cheap shite from China.
One of the best post I've read today.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:45 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I know, right?
or pro nazi. Cause all the money we are giving to Ukraine is literally going to literal nazis
Supporting both Russians and Nazis!
Inconceivable!
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:51 pm to Scruffy
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Supporting both Russians and Nazis!
Tells you the world has gone to sh*t when you have to decide between a Commie or a Nazi
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:53 pm to Scruffy
Man I hope the medical stuff came easier than the military, geo political stuff.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:59 pm to SOSFAN
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why didn't we start sending massive weapons and ammunition from the start? It very well could have made Putin back down.
I completely agree, but recall that Zelenskyy himself at the time was saying the Biden Admin was fearmongering and was saying to stop being so dramatic. I’m sure everyone would play it differently in hindsight, but I’m not sure we had the domestic or international capital to do that.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 6/15/22 at 6:09 pm to RLDSC FAN
How's that sham war going?
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