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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:29 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:29 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Those in this thread would likely argue yes.
It’s getting absolutely ridiculous. What if this war goes on for years? Should we still be giving a notably corrupt nation tens of billions?
quote:The 20 years, countless lives, and trillions of dollars were forgotten almost immediately after the withdrawal.
shite, for that matter does anyone remember Iraq?
Nothing was learned. Nothing.
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:29 pm to Scruffy
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:30 pm to notiger1997
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:30 pm to OMLandshark
Speaking of.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:32 pm to Scruffy
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Yes, and the sanctions we placed on a major global economy did not worsen anything at all.
Sure it made things worse, but it was already bad. The war is not why we have inflation now. We spent trillions of dollars that we borrowed. 40 billion is chump change compared to trillions.
Biden policies put us behind the 8 ball the sanctions on Russia (not a major economic power) aided the downturn and inflation. It did not cause it.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:33 pm to SOSFAN
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:34 pm to doubleb
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And his long did they know that and what happened when it was discovered?
And Yes, Flint was given millions of tax dollars to rectify the problem.
The issue was known for decades and if the money given would have went to fixing the issue instead of lining politicians pockets it would have been fixed years ago.
You name all the social programs we pay for which tells you we need the money here first ( not that I agree with social handouts).
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:34 pm to OMLandshark
You guys need to go back to the Political Board
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:36 pm to Scruffy
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
they don't get their needed attention on the political board, they have to contaminate ours.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:37 pm to SOSFAN
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Thank you for your service.
appreciate it, same to you, even though i didnt really do shite.
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So how do you think America should handle the 2 Alabama boys that Russia just took captive?
they volunteered for a foreign army, they are on their own imo.
it this was special forces or a cia spook or anything like that....then that would be different and i feel we should demand they turn them over or else.
but although they are US citizens they volunteered. How would you feel if they volunteered to fight for russia and ukraine captured them?
how do you feel about the ethnic germans or japanese that lived in america during WWII and went and join their militaries before the US was involved....because its the same thing?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:37 pm to doubleb
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:38 pm to SOSFAN
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The issue was known for decades and if the money given would have went to fixing the issue instead of lining politicians pockets it would have been fixed years ago.
2014
And now you say they got money, but they misused it. So giving the money to Flint Michigan did no good ?
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You name all the social programs we pay for which tells you we need the money here first ( not that I agree with social handouts).
So you are against giveaways here, but want more money to be given away here?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:40 pm to doubleb
quote:And that is how we continue the trajectory.
40 billion is chump change compared to trillions.
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Biden policies put us behind the 8 ball the sanctions on Russia (not a major economic power) aided the downturn and inflation. It did not cause it.
Yes, I know it didn’t cause it. We just decided to self-inflict an even worse outcome at a time when the world’s collective economy was already in shambles.
That’s simply madness.
And this idea that Russia’s economy is tiny is grossly misrepresented.
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Seldom has the West so grossly misjudged an economy’s global significance. French economist Jacques Sapir, a renowned specialist of the Russian economy who teaches at the Moscow and Paris schools of economics, explained recently that the war in Ukraine has “made us realize that the Russian economy is considerably more important than what we thought.” For Sapir, one big reason for this miscalculation is exchange rates. If you compare Russia’s gross domestic product (GDP) by simply converting it from rubles into U.S. dollars, you indeed get an economy the size of Spain’s. But such a comparison makes no sense without adjusting for purchasing power parity (PPP), which accounts for productivity and standards of living, and thus per capita welfare and resource use. Indeed, PPP is the measure favored by most international institutions, from the IMF to the OECD. And when you measure Russia’s GDP based on PPP, it’s clear that Russia’s economy is actually more like the size of Germany’s, about $4.4 trillion for Russia versus $4.6 trillion for Germany. From the size of a small and somewhat ailing European economy to the biggest economy in Europe and one of the largest in the world—not a negligible difference.
quote:Add ingredients to make fertilizer to that list, which has severe downstream impacts.
Sapir also encourages us to ask, “What is the share of the service sector versus the share of the commodities and industrial sector?” To him, the service sector today is grossly overvalued compared with the industrial sector and commodities like oil, gas, copper, and agricultural products. If we reduce the proportional importance of services in the global economy, Sapir says that “Russia’s economy is vastly larger than that of Germany and represents probably 5% or 6% of the world economy,” more like Japan than Spain.
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While Russia is not the largest producer of oil in the world, for example, it has been the largest exporter of it, ahead even of Saudi Arabia. The same is true for many other essential products such as wheat—the world’s most important food crop, with Russia controlling about 19.5% of global exports—nickel (20.4%), semi-finished iron (18.8%), platinum (16.6%), and frozen fishes (11.2%).
We so grossly misjudge the size and impact of the Russian economy, and this is the outcome.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:41 pm to Coeur du Tigre
quote:Ive been waiting on something to come out of this strategic area for months. I was told June / July at the earliest before we begin to see some movement.
Here's the thread itself, addressing the recent Ukrainian advances in Kherson:
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Russia simply has to fight here for Crimea to remain viable.
So, important reason # 1. This development forces Russia to move forces & more importantly refocus it's artillery ammo supply chain from Donbas to Kherson or risk losing Crimea's water.
Important reason #2 Filling the Russia-to-Kherson logistical supply line for the same daily rate of shell usage as Donbas requires more shells to fill all the transport between Russia & Kherson.
Important Reason #3 The Russian Army is on the horns of a dilemma. A decision to reinforce Kherson now will cause a logistical pause where neither Donbas nor Kherson will have enough shells and Ukraine knows it.
Important Reason #4 There are four key distances Russia has to keep Ukraine more than a) 15 km, & then b) 8 km from Downtown Kherson and the Nova Kakhovka dam [the northern terminus of the canal]. 15 km is the range where Ukraine's drone directed 122mm guns start killing Russian vehicles. 8 km is the range Ukrainian drone directed 125mm tank gun indirect fire starts doing the same thing.
Important reason #5 Russia has got to commit its airpower to the South right now, whatever decision it makes on artillery ammo, because of those four range numbers, & Ukraine knows this too. That is, Ukraine has pushed SF teams with mines, drones, mortars, ATGM, & MANPADS to work with Ukrainian Partisans in those southern areas, no matter the choice Russia makes.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:41 pm to OMLandshark
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Those guys are just as bad as y’all blowing Putin thinking he’s solely invading to avenge the Orange Man. Both of y’all are out of your minds when it comes to this war.
I am pro Ukraine. I come here for war news. Some pro Russian guys bring some, and so do pro Ukraine guys. Some neutral guys do also..
You are wrong about me.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:41 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
are you still trying to act like you are anti war? do i need to go find your post on the poliboard where you were railing that we needed to put boots on the ground in both taiwan and ukraine and i had to point out to that if taiwan cared so much abotu defense they would prolly spend their alloted budget and their % of gdp would be higher?
remember that thread? now you are suddenly anti war?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:43 pm to Scruffy
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:44 pm to lsu777
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:46 pm to OMLandshark
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Those guys are just as bad as y’all blowing Putin thinking he’s solely invading to avenge the Orange Man. Both of y’all are out of your minds when it comes to this war.
Discuss your opinion about the war somewhere else you dumb frick. This thread is to discuss the status updates of the war, not your precious feelings about it.
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