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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:11 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Kadryov jumped to take (unearned credit) for Severodonetsk. He’s did that in Popasna too.
The Russians have cleared the residential parts of the city, but there are still Ukrainian forces in the industrial zone according to the LNR.
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The Russians have cleared the residential parts of the city, but there are still Ukrainian forces in the industrial zone according to the LNR.
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NY Times
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“You ask how the fighting is going,” said Oleksandr Kolesnikov, the commander of a company of soldiers fighting in the forest, interviewed on an ambulance gurney outside a military hospital in Kramatorsk.
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“There was a commander of the company. He was killed. There was another commander. He was killed. A third commander was wounded. I am the fourth.”
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:21 pm to DabosDynasty
Ukraine is just retreating to high ground overlooking Severdonetsk, just like they did with Lyman, grinding up Russian units before falling back.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:21 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The new HIMARS, expected to be announced tomorrow, fires at a range of about twice that of the current M777 Howitzer.
The package is certainly good news for the Ukrainians, but this is a weapon system that doesn’t introduce a new capability, is inferior (for their purposes) to what they already have, and while it replenishes some of the losses they’ve sustained, it doesn’t make they stronger than they were on day one.
One of the consistent problems with our military aid packages, is that we’re not sending enough hardware.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:35 pm to WeeWee
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I’m pretty skeptical Ukraine can really retake most land to the February 24 border.
Really? Have you looked at the deployment maps?
I haven’t and frankly don’t have the knowledge base to make heads or tails of it if I did. So please know my insight on any of this should be taken with a Ukrainian salt mine.
My skepticism is just a general skepticism of what we haven’t seen. To my knowledge we haven’t really seen the Ukrainians retake a major population center and we haven’t seen the Russians defend a major population center. Eventually the Ukrainians need to retake Kherson to be able to really control the area south to Crimea.
I just don’t know what a Ukrainian counterattack into a Ukrainian city looks like. Presumably the Ukrainians can’t resort to the same blunt tactics as would the Russians in such an urban offensive. It’s going to be tricky, unless the Russians really are just threadbare in this area.
And sadly I do think the Ukrainians are on the clock in terms of support before the west starts to tip the scales for a brokered peace. I think that clock run through August.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:44 pm to ned nederlander
Germans man. Given the choice of finally being on the right side of history or controlling energy costs, they’ve gone with energy costs. What a bunch of cuckenschnitzels
Business Insider Link
“Germany has sent only two deliveries of weapons to Ukraine since March, documents obtained by the German publication Welt am Sonntag show. Welt and Insider share a parent company, Axel Springer.
The German government has reduced its military support over the past few weeks, making two arms deliveries to Ukraine between March 30 and May 26, the documents show.
Both shipments included small arms such as anti-tank mines“
Business Insider Link
“Germany has sent only two deliveries of weapons to Ukraine since March, documents obtained by the German publication Welt am Sonntag show. Welt and Insider share a parent company, Axel Springer.
The German government has reduced its military support over the past few weeks, making two arms deliveries to Ukraine between March 30 and May 26, the documents show.
Both shipments included small arms such as anti-tank mines“
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:51 pm to ned nederlander
Meh. The Germans were dumb for going all on on Russian O&G but they are tied to it now for better or worse.
Germany's #1 priority is its citizens, not being on the right side of history.
Germany's #1 priority is its citizens, not being on the right side of history.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:54 pm to ned nederlander
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I just don’t know what a Ukrainian counterattack into a Ukrainian city looks like. Presumably the Ukrainians can’t resort to the same blunt tactics as would the Russians in such an urban offensive. It’s going to be tricky, unless the Russians really are just threadbare in this area.
Excellent observation.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:54 pm to cypher
The U.S. will provide Ukraine with more advanced rocket systems and precision-guided munitions that will give them an edge on the battlefield, President Joe Biden wrote in an opinion article in the New York Times published Tuesday.
While there are limitations placed on their range, the HIMARS is a vastly more modern weapons system than anything the Ukrainians, or the Russians, can currently put on the battlefield. The vehicle-mounted launchers can fire volleys of six guided rockets at a time that land within several feet of their intended target, an accuracy unmatched in the artillery duels taking place across the Donbas in Eastern Ukraine. The vehicle carrying the launchers can also travel at more than 50 miles per hour.
The system can be reloaded within minutes and a new target can be digitally entered into the fire control system. The Russian and Ukrainian multiple-rocket systems currently in the fight can fire more rockets — a dozen to several dozen at a time — but each volley takes longer to load, and a new target must be physically resighted and the launchers redirected using cranks. Such a slow, labor-intensive process makes the vehicles juicy targets for the counter-battery radar systems the U.S. has rushed to Ukraine.
Politico summary of NYTimes opinion piece
While there are limitations placed on their range, the HIMARS is a vastly more modern weapons system than anything the Ukrainians, or the Russians, can currently put on the battlefield. The vehicle-mounted launchers can fire volleys of six guided rockets at a time that land within several feet of their intended target, an accuracy unmatched in the artillery duels taking place across the Donbas in Eastern Ukraine. The vehicle carrying the launchers can also travel at more than 50 miles per hour.
The system can be reloaded within minutes and a new target can be digitally entered into the fire control system. The Russian and Ukrainian multiple-rocket systems currently in the fight can fire more rockets — a dozen to several dozen at a time — but each volley takes longer to load, and a new target must be physically resighted and the launchers redirected using cranks. Such a slow, labor-intensive process makes the vehicles juicy targets for the counter-battery radar systems the U.S. has rushed to Ukraine.
Politico summary of NYTimes opinion piece
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:46 pm to ned nederlander
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My skepticism is just a general skepticism of what we haven’t seen. To my knowledge we haven’t really seen the Ukrainians retake a major population center and we haven’t seen the Russians defend a major population center. Eventually the Ukrainians need to retake Kherson to be able to really control the area south to Crimea. I just don’t know what a Ukrainian counterattack into a Ukrainian city looks like. Presumably the Ukrainians can’t resort to the same blunt tactics as would the Russians in such an urban offensive. It’s going to be tricky, unless the Russians really are just threadbare in this area.
Define major population center? Kherson’s population was around 280,000 prior to the invasion. During the Battle of Kyiv the Ukrainian launched counterattacks which drove the Russians out of Irpin (population 62,000), Bucha (38,000), Borodinka (60,000) and eastern suburbs of Kyiv were the population is over 150,000. If the Ukrainians reach the city of Kozatsk then they cut the main rail connection from Russia to Kherson and cut off half the road network. The Ukrainians road network is shitty in the best of times and is unable to support either army. Which is why both Ukraine and Russia have only had success when they’ve had good rail connections. If the Russians lose Kozatsk then supplies have to enter Kherson by a single track railroad bridge and a single highway bridge (which would make tempting targets for the Ukrainian Air Force). We saw the Russians retreat from around Kyiv and Kharkiv instead of letting themed get encircled. I would expect the same to happen in Kherson since after all the Russians are not fighting for their homes. Plus if Ukraine encircles Kherson expect the hostile population to throw the Russians one hell of a cocktail party.
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:49 pm to cypher
Informative thread on weapons systems Ukraine is set to receive next
Russians using missile systems that require physical sighting and 20-40 mins to reload and were about to send drone aided GPS systems that take a minute to fire and only 5 to reload.
Russians using missile systems that require physical sighting and 20-40 mins to reload and were about to send drone aided GPS systems that take a minute to fire and only 5 to reload.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:52 pm to DabosDynasty
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Have a feeling we’ll see shortly. If the Ukrainians are ceding Severodonetsk and allowing for Putin to begin the expected negotiation from “strength”, Macron and Schroeder will answer this for us.
My sources in Ukraine have said that the Ukrainian government is willing to tell France and Germany to f**k off. As long as Poland is willing to be a corridor for American and British aid then the rest of Europe is not needed.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:57 pm to WeeWee
Well clearly they’re not losing anything to do so. France and Germany haven’t sent much of anything and are cheating the energy sanctions, therefore continuing to fund Putin.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:57 pm to Centinel
Not at all. They have to be terrified. Not enough to act alone and make big orders to his men but still stuck between his upper level master officer. We need to get them at least a few short range rocket launchers. Send 20 of our older systems that shoot at 40 miles. It’s not a lit but it’s a start to show them we will send them things they need. France has to help out more than they have. They have a good stockpile of older weapons that the Ukrainians could still use effectively, especially artillery pieces. They need to find another 200 artillery pieces and the ammo that goes with them by July or they might be in trouble. They just don’t have the guns to fight back against Russian artillery all the time. I’ve always wondered why the US doesn’t seems some of their Vietnam/80’s era 105mm pieces. Yeah they want 152 or 155 but beggars can’t be choosers and I’d think the USA would have a pretty nice stockpile of old 105 guns.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 9:58 pm to WeeWee
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:09 pm to OMLandshark
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too much for me in risking WWIII.
With the sorry state of patriotism among Americans these days, WW3 might not even be a bad thing anymore tbh.
(Sarcasm, but then again…)
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:15 pm to PrecedentedTimes
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:15 pm to WeeWee
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t least blow the dam and drain the reservoi
I can’t wait to see video of that.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:18 pm to OMLandshark
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aren't we going a little far here? Giving them advanced missile systems is too much for me in risking WWIII.
Ukraine would be on our side in WW3. Plus we have been risking WW3 since the night of Putin’s address when he warned us to stay out of it and we called his bluff.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 10:20 pm to WeeWee
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 11:19 pm to WeeWee
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Define major population center? Kherson’s population was around 280,000 prior to the invasion. During the Battle of Kyiv the Ukrainian launched counterattacks which drove the Russians out of Irpin (population 62,000), Bucha (38,000), Borodinka (60,000) and eastern suburbs of Kyiv were the population is over 150,000
I’m not sure the collapse of the Russian attack on Kyiv is a real precedent for what Ukraine will need to do to retake Kherson. As noted, Kherson is a city center of 280,000 people with natural barriers, whereas the others were largely suburbs of Kyiv. Further, Russians took and lost irpin and bucha in a matter of weeks and the area seemed to be in near constant combat. In Kherson, the Ukrainians will be assaulting a city the Russians have held for months without any active combat.
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We saw the Russians retreat from around Kyiv and Kharkiv instead of letting themed get encircled. I would expect the same to happen in Kherson since after all the Russians are not fighting for their homes. Plus if Ukraine encircles Kherson expect the hostile population to throw the Russians one hell of a cocktail party.
Now this I can get behind and hope it turns out this way. Those natural barriers can isolate as easily as they can repel.
I do also fear for what the folks of Kherson will have to endure if and when the Russians leave.
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