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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:22 am to JayDeerTay84
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:22 am to JayDeerTay84
The yearly budget spent on US military ranges from 600-800 billion dollars yearly. 40 billion dollars to help weaken Russia seems like a drop in the bucket if it succeeds and ZERO US soldiers are harmed.
Even if Russia takes the southeastern portion of Ukraine and calls it a day they will have a severely weakened military going forward for the next decade.
Even if Russia takes the southeastern portion of Ukraine and calls it a day they will have a severely weakened military going forward for the next decade.
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:23 am to JayDeerTay84
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How many tanks, ships, planes, missiles can we buy for us with that instead?
We can spend $10 million for a new Abrams or $170,000 to destroy one of Russia's. See how that ROI works?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:24 am to REG861
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landlocked
fricking idiot.
It will be soon enough
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:24 am to TigerMan327
Russia is not a global power. Their gross incompetence in Ukraine in plain view to the whole world makes that glaringly apparent. Even if they conquer Ukraine entirely, their military is wrecked for at least a decade. Their victory in Ukraine affects the USA not one but. Damned sure not $40 big ones worth. If Western Europe sees Russia as a threat, let them step up financially (finally) and pay for their own collective defense.
Not only should we not pay $40bill, we should be pushing for the dissolution of NATO - or at least the USA's participation in it. The need for us to defend Europe against the Russian boogeyman has long since expired.
Not only should we not pay $40bill, we should be pushing for the dissolution of NATO - or at least the USA's participation in it. The need for us to defend Europe against the Russian boogeyman has long since expired.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:25 am to JayDeerTay84
Just seems like we could spend money on like, Louisiana bridges, for an example, as opposed to blown bridges in Ukraine…..
But hey. That’s just my Putin loving view……..(rollseyes)
But hey. That’s just my Putin loving view……..(rollseyes)
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:31 am to JayDeerTay84
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JayDeerTay84
The ukraine needs billions of our dollars to fund their pensions and pay government workers' salaries. You're not entitled to your own tax dollars and to think otherwise makes you anti-American.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:32 am to JayDeerTay84
quote:Is that the extent of your calculus? "Muh 40 billion" with no context or other considerations?
Ok so what is the formula for dollars spent = return on that?
quote:Give me a break. You'd howl at the moon if we gave 40 billion away to poor people.
Because that suggest spending al that here is not as useful?
quote:Not that fricking many. Have you looked at the price tags on new ships and planes? We spend almost a trillion dollars a year on the military. A lot of that money is spent on the deterrence of our two biggest rivals, one of which is currently grinding itself up with no loss of American lives with the aid of that 40 billion. That might be the most cost effective use of tax dollars in my lifetime.
How many tanks, ships, planes, missiles can we buy for us with that instead?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:32 am to JayDeerTay84
A bridge to make your drive to work 5 minutes shorter or possibly savings 100s to 1000s of US soldiers in the future.
What if Putins goal is to bring back the USSR? Which it seems it is. What if he wants to keep growing more powerful and getting more Nukes. Then one day decides he wants to team up with China and go to war with France or Germany? (Obviously hypothetical) USA should just stand by and let all that happen? Eventually someone comes knocking at your door if you don’t put them in their place when they try to rise up.
The lesser evil is spending 5% of our military budget to help Ukraine to destroy a large portion of Russias army to weaken them then for us then to re build some roads and a couple bridges to make your ride to work a little smoother baww
What if Putins goal is to bring back the USSR? Which it seems it is. What if he wants to keep growing more powerful and getting more Nukes. Then one day decides he wants to team up with China and go to war with France or Germany? (Obviously hypothetical) USA should just stand by and let all that happen? Eventually someone comes knocking at your door if you don’t put them in their place when they try to rise up.
The lesser evil is spending 5% of our military budget to help Ukraine to destroy a large portion of Russias army to weaken them then for us then to re build some roads and a couple bridges to make your ride to work a little smoother baww
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:33 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Not only should we not pay $40bill, we should be pushing for the dissolution of NATO - or at least the USA's participation in it. The need for us to defend Europe against the Russian boogeyman has long since expired.
Incompetent or not, Russia is on the march, invading other countries. And your response is to dismantle defenses? You are either profoundly dim or a Russian bot.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:33 am to TigerMan327
Yes. Exactly. Improve the lives of Americans over Ukraine. Or any other country.
America 1st. Exactly….
America 1st. Exactly….
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:35 am to JayDeerTay84
You are securing Americas future. Your mindset is very shortsighted.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:42 am to TigerMan327
So if Ukraine falls, we are next? Is that it?
This thread is all about Russias failures yet, I am to be scared of them now?
This thread is all about Russias failures yet, I am to be scared of them now?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:48 am to doubleb
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red brigade
That is good.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:49 am to Malik Agar
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It will be soon enough
Unlikely. Ukraine has begun a counter-offensive around Kherson. With superior artillery in the region they’ll soon have the Russkies on the run.
Putin is terminally ill and his cohorts will have to decide soon how long they’ll allow him to rule. He’ll get more anxious as his time nears and he may want to try nuking someone. They’ll have to step in and tie the old dictator to his bed.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:50 am to doubleb
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Just because the red brigade here keeps saying it’s one of the most corrupt nations over and over again doesn’t mean it’s so.
That's a fact, Jack!
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:53 am to SoFla Tideroller
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If Western Europe sees Russia as a threat, let them step up financially (finally) and pay for their own collective defense.
I agree with this 100%. The damn welching Germans and those piss ant French disgust the hell out of me.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:10 am to Palmetto98
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So who is paying for these weapons with this superb Ukrainian economy? In addition, let’s say Russia turns Ukraine in to a giant landlocked Moldova after the war, how will they pay us back?
We should get paid back by the Ukranians a year or so after the Russians pay us back for WW2 aid.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:12 am to JayDeerTay84
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There are Americans that need homes yet we send billions to Ukraine.
We are paying billions now for Americans to have homes, food, phones, and healthcare
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:15 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Russia is not a global power. Their gross incompetence in Ukraine in plain view to the whole world makes that glaringly apparent. Even if they conquer Ukraine entirely, their military is wrecked for at least a decade.
And would anyone know this if not for our training the Ukrainians, our intelligence that was spot on to help them, and NATO tech to f up old and I’ll maintained Russian tech?
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:16 am to doubleb
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are paying billions now for Americans to have homes, food, phones, and healthcare
Well the solution sure as hell isn't to send billions to other countries.
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