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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:05 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:05 am to Lima Whiskey
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There are also strong cultural prohibitions against profiting off other Russians
I’ll comment only on the most hilarious statement of your propaganda. How can you say this with a straight face? Your man, Putin, is one of the richest men (an estimated $130 billion in his coffers) on earth and his circle of “friends” are the oligarchs who have stolen billions from their military and citizens. My god, man, does your Russian nationalism know no limits?
The Russian people are a backwards ethnicity who submit to rulers. A politician serves his constituency. Russians simply don’t understand this concept. They are born and raised to be ruled. That’s all they understand.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:11 am to Lima Whiskey
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Russians are very different. Russians are acutely aware of each other as individuals, and feel a bond of obligation with that. You will never be a stranger to a Russian. You will be a person.
This is some real Russian fan fiction. The Russians are like everyone else with all the good and bad that come from that. Russian crimes against humanity speak for themselves. I’ll highlight two:
My people lived in the Pale of Settlement for generations. They experienced Russian pogroms. They were not seen as persons.
Our good friends are Circassians. They are acutely aware they are not ethnic Russians and their kids could be the last generation that will speak Circassian thanks to the russian genocide of their people and culture.
The husband is an old Soviet era physicist who spent much of his life in a naukograd in Siberia - one of those lovely academic prison towns from where defection was difficult. They go to Russia every summer. They are not going home this summer for fear the husband and his working knowledge of rockets won’t be allowed to leave this utopia of humanity.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:13 am to Jack Ruby
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Of course, if you're an enemy to a Russian or Slavs, you are going to be hated... And they are going to do horrific barbaric things to you.. But if you are one of them or attempt to understand them, they will welcome you with open arms.
Ukrainians are Slavs and yet Russia is doing barbaric things to them. The Slavic open arms must be like the tentacles of an octopus, all of which end at the creature’s mouth and its deadly beak.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:40 am to ned nederlander
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This is some real Russian fan fiction.
I simply cannot understand how someone like WL comes to accept and promote straight up Russian propaganda to the detriment of our country's interests. It is quite disgusting.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:53 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:59 am to OMLandshark
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welve-year-old Andrii and six-year-old Valentyn build checkpoints and dug trenches in the village of Stoianka, near Kyiv. The two boys want to be soldiers when they grow up and hope to defend their country one day
does not mean
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people are saying “Child soldiers are good.”
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:00 am to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
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when they grow up
Ohh I got a two for one with that one
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:04 am to OMLandshark
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So we’ve now reached the point in the war where people are saying “Child soldiers are good.”
Your Ukrainian friends we’re using child soldiers much earlier in the invasion and y’all said they are fighting for their country.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:05 am to OMLandshark
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So we’ve now reached the point in the war where people are saying “Child soldiers are good.”
Brah, they were playing soldier. They built play checkpoints and dug play trenches...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:27 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Now that Russia is bringing the T-62s into service, are the T-34s on deck?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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UK rejects Russia's offer to unblock Ukrainian ports in exchange for lifting sanctions.
Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba called Moscow’s proposal “blackmail,” adding that those politicians who may think of accepting it should first visit the graves of killed Ukrainian children.
NB4 "But the sanctions aren't working"
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:42 am to Lima Whiskey
I don't necessarily doubt the general sentiment of what you posted. Russians have a weird history that's rather fascinating. They've always been at least somewhat connected to Europe while simultaneously being far apart. That being said what you posted is akin to romanticizing Americans with all the grand notions of "they'll give you the shirt off your back, rags to riches, love and sacrifice for country, send me your poor huddled masses, rah rah rah, etc." It's based in truth, but it's misleading.
That doesn't really jive with the behavior of the Russian army, even when you account for western media propaganda bias. I thought they considered the Ukrainians as Russians, hence the whole nationalism==nazis thing. They sure seem to be disrespecting their "brothers", "mothers", "sisters", etc.
I'm not necessarily saying this story is complete bullshite (though it definitely is the same kind of romantic drivel I referred to before) because I don't know anything about it, but how realistically would this story become known? Did a rebel/jihadist that tried to kill him, got close enough to see what happened, but not close enough to blown up write about it? Doesn't make much sense.
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You will never be a stranger to a Russian. You will be a person. This is incredibly important to them. And that means they will go out of their way to be helpful.
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there always seems to be more consideration and respect for others in any given situation.
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There are also strong cultural prohibitions against profiting off other Russians, which stem from this. Russians historically refused to haggle, because if you did well, if you won, that meant you’d cheated the other person, and that was a horrible sin. Materialism was seen as foreign and ugly.
That doesn't really jive with the behavior of the Russian army, even when you account for western media propaganda bias. I thought they considered the Ukrainians as Russians, hence the whole nationalism==nazis thing. They sure seem to be disrespecting their "brothers", "mothers", "sisters", etc.
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Major Roman Filipov is a good example of it. Shot down over Syria, he defended his position until he was out of ammunition, and when the rebels rushed him, he waited, and set off a grenade, killing himself, and the jihadists around him
I'm not necessarily saying this story is complete bullshite (though it definitely is the same kind of romantic drivel I referred to before) because I don't know anything about it, but how realistically would this story become known? Did a rebel/jihadist that tried to kill him, got close enough to see what happened, but not close enough to blown up write about it? Doesn't make much sense.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:00 pm to LSshoe
This seems to conflict. Anyone have a better take on the numbers situation?
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Some 700,000 Ukrainian soldiers are now actively participating in defending the country, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a televised interview on Saturday.
In comparison, Russia deployed anywhere between 100,000 to 190,000 troops when it launched its invasion on 24 February, with the exact numbers of currently active units unclear.
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The spokesman of
@ZelenskyyUa
, Serhiy Nikiforov tells
@ABC
that Russian forces are outnumbering Ukrainian troops by 7 to 1 in parts of eastern Ukraine right now.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:22 pm to OMLandshark
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Twelve-year-old Andrii and six-year-old Valentyn build checkpoints and dug trenches in the village of Stoianka,
If Mexico had invaded Louisiana, twelve year-old me would have been happy to defend the homeland. At six years old, not so much.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:58 pm to OMLandshark
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So we’ve now reached the point in the war where people are saying “Child soldiers are good.”
Those boys will be in a generation that ensures Russia doesn’t do this to their land again. As bad as todays situation is, Ukraine is building the strong generation that prosperity and freedom are built on. We’re so far from our same generation that our current kids will end up in a time of true suffering like those Ukrainian boys. Our suffering just most likely won’t be a home field war as theirs is.
This is part of what total mobilization looks like. They’re not on the literal front lines with the Russians. Leave them be.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:11 pm to DabosDynasty
bump
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:21 pm to StormyMcMan
Most of those Ukrainian forces are still in training. The current standing army will have to hold until they're ready. Russia is throwing everything it has into one axis and achieving local superiority.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:37 pm to StormyMcMan
Yes they are outnumbered and might always be but they also have a lot of troops being trained right now as well. The real fight in this war was always going end up being for Odessa. I’d expect Ukraine to start to massively build that area up. That’s the Alamo for them. They are also getting a steady stream of western weapons from NATO countries white Russia is breaking out their 60 year old tanks to refit units with that were destroyed.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:06 pm to LSUPilot07
So the eastern Ukrainian army is done?
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