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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:26 am to StormyMcMan
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:26 am to StormyMcMan
Hitler never had the fuel and why just about every offensive stopped. Conserve fuel instead of maneuver.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:27 am to StormyMcMan
Putain is Russian and they just think differently than the West. They are more like Mongols than Europeans
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:12 am to CitizenK
Russians are very different.
Russians are acutely aware of each other as individuals, and feel a bond of obligation with that. You will never be a stranger to a Russian. You will be a person. This is incredibly important to them. And that means they will go out of their way to be helpful.
I found it both shocking, from a western perspective, and charming.
If we have a certain selfishness, which frees us to pursue profit (from financial gain to scientific accomplishments) the Russians are the opposite. They are incredibly aware of the people around them, and that guides their behavior at all times.
Language shapes and reflects how we think. Just as Russians see people as individuals, they also see all of society as connected, which in turn is why respecting other people is so important.
There are also strong cultural prohibitions against profiting off other Russians, which stem from this. Russians historically refused to haggle, because if you did well, if you won, that meant you’d cheated the other person, and that was a horrible sin. Materialism was seen as foreign and ugly.
Collectively, you end up with a people with a strong sense of community, and a powerful nation bond, where personal sacrifice for the greater good is an accepted norm.
Gogol writes about this, in his depiction of the Cossack Bovdug.
That sentiment survived in modern Russia. Major Roman Filipov is a good example of it. Shot down over Syria, he defended his position until he was out of ammunition, and when the rebels rushed him, he waited, and set off a grenade, killing himself, and the jihadists around him.
Russian culture is communal, but not in the way Asian societies are, where they often surrender their individuality to the collective.
It’s a very different paradigm.
Quotes taken from a piece called Oswald Spengler and the Soul of Russia at Katehon
LINK
Russians are acutely aware of each other as individuals, and feel a bond of obligation with that. You will never be a stranger to a Russian. You will be a person. This is incredibly important to them. And that means they will go out of their way to be helpful.
I found it both shocking, from a western perspective, and charming.
If we have a certain selfishness, which frees us to pursue profit (from financial gain to scientific accomplishments) the Russians are the opposite. They are incredibly aware of the people around them, and that guides their behavior at all times.
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an American visitor to Russia, Barbara J. Brothers, as part of a scientific delegation, states something akin to Spengler’s observation:
The Russians have a sense of connectedness to themselves and to other human beings that is just not a part of American reality. It isn’t that competitiveness does not exist; it is just that there always seems to be more consideration and respect for others in any given situation.
Language shapes and reflects how we think. Just as Russians see people as individuals, they also see all of society as connected, which in turn is why respecting other people is so important.
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The connections between family, nation, birth, unity and motherland are reflected in the Russian language.
??? [rod]: family, kind, sort, genus
?????? [ródina]: homeland, motherland
???????? [rodíteli]: parents
?????? [rodít']: to give birth
??????? [rodnít']: to unite, bring together
??????? [rodovói]: ancestral, tribal
??????? [rodstvó]: kinship
There are also strong cultural prohibitions against profiting off other Russians, which stem from this. Russians historically refused to haggle, because if you did well, if you won, that meant you’d cheated the other person, and that was a horrible sin. Materialism was seen as foreign and ugly.
Collectively, you end up with a people with a strong sense of community, and a powerful nation bond, where personal sacrifice for the greater good is an accepted norm.
Gogol writes about this, in his depiction of the Cossack Bovdug.
quote:
When the elderly warrior Bovdug is mortally struck by a Turkish bullet his final words are exhortations on the nobility of suffering, after which his spirit soars to join his ancestors:
‘I sorrow not to part from the world. God grant every man such an end! May the Russian land be forever glorious!’ And Bovdug’s spirit flew above, to tell the old men who had gone on long before that men still knew how to fight on Russian soil, and better still, that they knew how to die for it and the holy faith. (Gogol, IX).
That sentiment survived in modern Russia. Major Roman Filipov is a good example of it. Shot down over Syria, he defended his position until he was out of ammunition, and when the rebels rushed him, he waited, and set off a grenade, killing himself, and the jihadists around him.
Russian culture is communal, but not in the way Asian societies are, where they often surrender their individuality to the collective.
It’s a very different paradigm.
Quotes taken from a piece called Oswald Spengler and the Soul of Russia at Katehon
LINK
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:14 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:20 am to Lima Whiskey
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Russians are very different.
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Russian culture is communal, but not in the way Asian societies are, where they often surrender their individuality to the collective.
It’s a very different paradigm.
Quotes taken from a piece called Oswald Spengler and the Soul of Russia at Katehon
LINK
I read the article....
Well, what can I say, the truth is about half, and the second half is made up of templates. From which the "collective west" cannot get out, hence the underestimation and incorrect conclusions.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:21 am to Lima Whiskey
People in America and western Europe have never really understood why Eastern Euros... Mainly and especially the Slavs, have such a connection to their people and their homeland.
To them, no matter if your ancestors left the motherland 100 year ago, or you were born in Moscow or Zagreb... You are one of them because you have Slavic blood running through your veins. You are part of a group that has had their backs against the wall for thousands of years, with enemies all around you.
The Russians and Eastern Euros do not have the same bullshite cynicism and animosity like the Celtic or Germanic peoples... Who are, in a way, far more tribal, standoffish, and introvertedly jealous and fickle.
Of course, if you're an enemy to a Russian or Slavs, you are going to be hated... And they are going to do horrific barbaric things to you.. But if you are one of them or attempt to understand them, they will welcome you with open arms.
To them, no matter if your ancestors left the motherland 100 year ago, or you were born in Moscow or Zagreb... You are one of them because you have Slavic blood running through your veins. You are part of a group that has had their backs against the wall for thousands of years, with enemies all around you.
The Russians and Eastern Euros do not have the same bullshite cynicism and animosity like the Celtic or Germanic peoples... Who are, in a way, far more tribal, standoffish, and introvertedly jealous and fickle.
Of course, if you're an enemy to a Russian or Slavs, you are going to be hated... And they are going to do horrific barbaric things to you.. But if you are one of them or attempt to understand them, they will welcome you with open arms.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:31 am to Chromdome35
I don't trust any video that can't maintain one image for more than 6 seconds before switching to a different image.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:28 am to Jack Ruby
Ha, this myth of panslavism only still exists in Moscow and Belgrade.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:40 am to Athanatos
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#Severodonetsk - The #Ukrainian defense of #Severodonetsk & Lysychans'k just got much harder. Reliable intel states that somewhere along the #Bakhmut - Lysschans'k road, #Russian forces have reached the road and are have stopped supplies. #UAF only has 1 remaining supply route.
The road was under fire by #Russian forces yesterday, as
@ArisMessinis
can attest to, but #RUAF had not actually reached it yet. Now that #Russia has seized a piece of the road, the ability to move #UAF in or out of the #Severodonetsk area will be difficult if not impossible.
LINK
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:42 am to Lima Whiskey
Russians even as Soviets have taken the Mongol way of corruption at every level of government, but you are not to steal as much as the person above you does. Thus, like the Mongols there is a sense of entitlement in corruption at every single level.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:45 am to StormyMcMan
Place that on a 3D Aerial type map and Popasna is the only area where Russians control high ground, as in hill or ridge.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:55 am to CitizenK
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What Germany needed was the oilfields instead of Moscow. So the next year they try again and get sidetrack with Stalingrad.
Stalingrad was a key logistical point on the Volga
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:25 am to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
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Russians are very different.
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Russians are acutely aware of each other as individuals, and feel a bond of obligation with that...And that means they will go out of their way to be helpful...The Russians have a sense of connectedness to themselves and to other human beings that is just not a part of American reality. It isn’t that competitiveness does not exist; it is just that there always seems to be more consideration and respect for others in any given situation...There are also strong cultural prohibitions against profiting off other Russians, which stem from this...Materialism was seen as foreign and ugly...Collectively, you end up with a people with a strong sense of community, and a powerful nation bond, where personal sacrifice for the greater good is an accepted norm.
This is a wonderful little fiction that may still pertain to some old school Russians living in the hinterlands of the Urals or down in the Caucuses...
But how in the hell do you jive this with the rise of the hundreds of grotesquely wealthy Oligarchs that have sprung up around Putin? How does this fit in with the famous graft and corruption of the Russian armed forces? How does this mesh with the atrocities committed by the Russians in almost every war or internal regime change they have ever been involved in?....
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:31 am to Lima Whiskey
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Russians are acutely aware of each other as individuals, and feel a bond of obligation with that. You will never be a stranger to a Russian. You will be a person. This is incredibly important to them. And that means they will go out of their way to be helpful.
You mean like assassinating old men while they ride their bike?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:41 am to LeClerc
NATO:
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:59 am to DabosDynasty
Why doesn’t Turkey want Sweden and Finland in NATO?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:05 am to Palmetto98
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Why doesn’t Turkey want Sweden and Finland in NATO?
Both countries granted asylum to people who supported groups that went against the current regime in Turkey. The Erdogon gov't labeled them terrorists and now accuse Finland and Sweden of harboring terrorists
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:21 am to StormyMcMan
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Maybe someone can get the scales to match
Here ya go:
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:25 am to TitusCrow
Now that’s cool. Thank you.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:28 am to TitusCrow
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TitusCrow
First off
Second thing, reposting that image since it went to the bottom of the page
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