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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:25 am to Centinel
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:25 am to Centinel
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Why did they send in armor columns without infantry screening? Why are they not paying their troops? Why are the Shtola APSs not working on the T-90s? Why are large numbers of the ERA blocks empty? Why are are the mechanized columns constantly running out of fuel? Why are Russian soldiers abandoning equipment? I can keep going if you'd like.
I mean you can pull up every cnn talking point and I can pull up a standard military procedure that’s practically understood. The fact is that Russia did not send nearly enough force to capture Kiev or Kharkiv. Intimidation, well that’s more plausible.
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:26 am to Gcockboi
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Russia hasn't even declared an official war with the Ukraine. They have like 200k soldiers compared to the 1 million plus Ukranian forces. They are toying with them, plus not trying to kill citizens, because the hohols love to hide behind Ukraine citizens and in elementary schools. If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes. Go back to reddit and cope with the plebbit trannies and shill bots.
Holy shite! Even if the reason that Russia is struggling in Ukraine is because Russia is just toying with them and not waging full fledge war with Ukraine is true it is stupid and embarrassing and is a worse justification than saying that Ukraine is stronger than expected. Imagine if the USA had 15,000 soldiers killed (that is just the number of Russian soldiers killed, it does not include the number wounded, capture and missing) as lost almost 50% of its modern military equipment in 3 months because we invaded a country and decided to just toying with them.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:26 am to Gcockboi
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If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes.
If this were the case given the losses in men and machines they are experiencing "toying" with Ukraine has to be one of the dumbest strategic moves in modern history. You like sucking the Russian dick but you are painting them as utter fools.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:28 am to Palmetto98
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I mean you can pull up every cnn talking point and I can pull up a standard military procedure that’s practically understood. The fact is that Russia did not send nearly enough force to capture Kiev or Kharkiv. Intimidation, well that’s more plausible.
Yet again no answers to very pertinent questions. Even the above is assertions by you with zero proof to back them up.
Your only response is "muh CNN talking points!!!"
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:29 am to WeeWee
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Holy shite! Even if the reason that Russia is struggling in Ukraine is because Russia is just toying with them and not waging full fledge war with Ukraine is true it is stupid and embarrassing and is a worse justification than saying that Ukraine is stronger than expected. Imagine if the USA had 15,000 soldiers killed (that is just the number of Russian soldiers killed, it does not include the number wounded, capture and missing) as lost almost 50% of its modern military equipment in 3 months because we invaded a country and decided to just toying with them.
They literally have southern Ukraine and the eastern regions on full grasp. The reality of the situation is this victory from a drawn out war of attrition in Kiev and all of Ukraine was never going to happen and y’all are having an extremely hard time coming to terms with this. Russia got what it wanted plain and simple.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:30 am to Obtuse1
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If this were the case given the losses in men and machines they are experiencing "toying" with Ukraine has to be one of the dumbest strategic moves in modern history.
You simply cannot comprehend a master strategist like Putin.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:30 am to Palmetto98
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Then why didn’t they use standard military doctrine to capture these cities?
Nothing they are doing follows modern strategic and especially tactical doctrine. Their tactics in particular are fricked up like a football bat. Watching them makes every military man laugh and cringe at the same time.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:31 am to Centinel
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Yet again no answers to very pertinent questions. Even the above is assertions by you with zero proof to back them up. Your only response is "muh CNN talking points!!!"
Where’s you’re answer to standard military doctrine then? Oh right, Putin is crazy and dying of cancer and he will be overthrown by June? All you got is cnn Bs lol.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:31 am to Obtuse1
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Watching them makes every military man laugh and cringe at the same time.
It's rather telling that this thread has quite a few veterans in it, some with very direct experience in this type of thing.
Yet we're the idiots who don't understand what's going on.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:32 am to Palmetto98
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Where’s you’re answer to standard military doctrine then?
Please detail Russian standard military doctrine.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:33 am to Obtuse1
It's bad. I'm just here for the upcoming heavy armor battles.
I used to love when the Platoon Leader would give us a trigger line out to 3200 m.
"At my command, 2 rounds SABOT. Top Hat, Top Hat, FIRE!"
I used to love when the Platoon Leader would give us a trigger line out to 3200 m.
"At my command, 2 rounds SABOT. Top Hat, Top Hat, FIRE!"
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:37 am to Palmetto98
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The fact is that Russia did not send nearly enough force to capture Kiev or Kharkiv
"We didn't actually lose. We were just pretending to!"
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:37 am to Stidham8
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Why's Ukraine getting crushed in Donbas? Lol at you gulping up the propaganda coming from the the United States.
We already knew that you could not read a map because despite how it looks on the map. The Russians have pushed the Ukrainians out of low ground and onto high ground and have only taken about 20 km of ground total in the last three weeks. That is not much. No it is safe to say that you do not anything about military tactics. It's called stretching out the enemy even a complete military amateur knows (like myself) knows that much. You let the enemy drive into your territory after an objective then when he is stretched to his max and his supply lines are vulnerable you attack. The Soviets executed this tactic perfectly in the battle of Stalingrad. They kept falling back until the Germans had encircled the Soviet forces in Stalingrad and their supply lines were vulnerable. The Russians then crossed Volga river north of Stalingrad and cut the German supply lines. In less than 2 days the Germans became the ones encircled and the Soviets became the attacker.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:39 am to Palmetto98
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They literally have southern Ukraine and the eastern regions on full grasp.
Define eastern and southern Ukraine.
If you look at a map you will see that they do not have control of the majority of what is considered to eastern and southern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine is made of up of the Kharkiv oblast which Russia has < 5% control of (and that is being generous), Luhansk which is 85 - 90% under their control but they started the war with over 60% of Luhansk under separatist control, Donetsk which is about 50 - 60% under Russian control, Zaporizhzhia which Russian has less than 50% control of, and the Dnipropetrovsk oblast which Russia has 0% control of. Southern Ukraine(not including Crimea) is made up of the Odessa oblast which Russia has 0% control of, the Mykolaiv oblast which Russia has 0% control of and the Kherson oblast which Russia has almost about 95% control of. So of the 8 oblasts that make up southern and eastern Ukraine, Russia has almost full control of 2 oblasts, and partial control of another 2. It has 0 control in 4 of the 8 oblasts. That hardly qualifies as having full grasp on eastern and southern Ukraine.
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The reality of the situation is this victory from a drawn out war of attrition
I guess that is why Russia is having to resort to sending T-62s to the front.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:40 am to WeeWee
All part of the master plan of Vladimir Putin, the greatest military strategist of our time.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:40 am to Stidham8
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Why's Ukraine getting crushed in Donbas
Congrats on gaining a whole 20km in a country the size of Texas
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:40 am to El Segundo Guy
BBC
Looks like Denmark is sending Harpoon Anti-ship missiles to Ukraine. They will have an impact on the Russian Naval blockade.
Russia's military campaign in Ukraine has entered its most active phase, Ukrainian defence ministry spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanyk says.
Russian forces are trying to encircle Ukrainian troops in two cities straddling the Siversky Donets river in eastern Ukraine - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk.
Ukraine says Russian forces had not given up attempts to cross the river.
Looks like Denmark is sending Harpoon Anti-ship missiles to Ukraine. They will have an impact on the Russian Naval blockade.
Russia's military campaign in Ukraine has entered its most active phase, Ukrainian defence ministry spokesman Oleksandr Motuzyanyk says.
Russian forces are trying to encircle Ukrainian troops in two cities straddling the Siversky Donets river in eastern Ukraine - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk.
Ukraine says Russian forces had not given up attempts to cross the river.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:41 am to Centinel
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Please detail Russian standard military doctrine.
Traditionally it is accepted that a defending force has a 3:1 advantage over an attacker.
Now the only explanation is that it was intimidation or Putin is dying of cancer and has gone crazy like CNN says.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:47 am to REG861
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Why's Ukraine getting crushed in Donbas
Congrats on gaining a whole 20km in a country the size of Texas
The mighty Russian Bear is struggling to take over a portion of Ukraine that is slightly bigger than the state of Louisiana
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:51 am to Palmetto98
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Traditionally it is accepted that a defending force has a 3:1 advantage over an attacker.
Now the only explanation is that it was intimidation or Putin is dying of cancer and has gone crazy like CNN says.
Or, what literally everyone has been saying, that Putin completely miscalculated the operation and thought Ukraine would just fold like a wet paper towel. That the locals wanted the Russians there when in reality they did not. Bad intelligence mixed with an overly optimistic military strength got it to where it is now.
They sent their version of special ops to Kyiv airports at least THREE separate times and were repelled. You wouldn't do that if you weren't ACTUALLY trying to capture them.
Honestly, most Western countries probably thought the same. That is my best understanding of why they waited like they did to actually send weapons (make sure Ukraine could actually punch back).
It would appear in the Donbas they finally have started getting their act together, but Ukraine also isn't just caving in.
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