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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:07 am to
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:07 am to
Almost as bad as coping with all of the excuses why Russia failed to take Kyiv or Kharkiv.

Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:07 am to
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When our Javelins are averaging an 90% kill rate at whatever they are fired at then it’s not hard to see why they are running out of tanks. That’s not even accounting for the British NLAW which is a damn good weapon itself. Ukraine has also captured 300 of their more modern T-72 tanks.


Watched a video the other day

The Ukies fired artillery AROUND a group of vehicles. Drone footage shows the Russians leaping out of their vehicles and running for the woods.

Ukies then walk up to the perfectly good equipment and drive off

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:09 am to
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When our Javelins are averaging an 90% kill rate at whatever they are fired at then it’s not hard to see why they are running out of tanks. That’s not even accounting for the British NLAW which is a damn good weapon itself. Ukraine has also captured 300 of their more modern T-72 tanks.



It's not just the western ATGM either. The Ukrainians have learned (or maybe were taught by western military advisors) the trick of setting up their wire guided missile launchers away from the soldiers who launch them. That way when the Russians attack that position all they destroy is used missile tube. The Ukrainians have tens of thousands of Ukrainian made and Soviet made wire guided ATGM which have proven to be just as deadly against Russian tanks as western ATGMs. I can't remember what source I read it from, but that source said that for every 1 Russian tank killed by western ATGM there were at least 3 Russian tanks killed by Ukrainian or Soviet made ATGMs.
Posted by Centinel
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:10 am to
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Watched a video the other day

The Ukies fired artillery AROUND a group of vehicles. Drone footage shows the Russians leaping out of their vehicles and running for the woods.

Ukies then walk up to the perfectly good equipment and drive off



Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:11 am to
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Ruble in better shape today than pre-invasion. Before the accusations, I’m just legitimately trying to understand where the sanctions went. Very rapidly and robustly effective on announcement, but now appear to be inefficient.


A few things about this:

1) Interest rates went from around 8-9% to 20% overnight

2) People are still limited on the amount of money they can convert ($10k)

3) All exporters MUST export 80% (IIRC) of the product in the Ruble

4) I'm still not sure how much of their market is actually open.

5) Inflation is over 17%

6) GDP is expected to contract 8-10%

Basically all-in-all they manipulated their currency and it's not what the actual exchange rate would be if they floated it, but it did "save" the ruble for the time being. Not sure how they come off these measures, but here traditionally when you manipulate currency like this the black market rate is the actual rate and there is an article I could find from 7 days ago LINK

quote:

Vladimir Putin’s war against Ukraine has put the economy on track for its sharpest contraction in decades. But the Russian currency is up about 25% against the U.S. dollar since the invasion began, giving it the incongruous title of best performer globally.

While that’s allowed Putin to brag that the sanctions “Blitzkrieg” of the West has failed, ordinary Russians can’t take advantage of the currency’s strength. Oil flows and capital controls have warped the official rate, and the ruble is around 20% weaker at exchange points and on the black market -- reminding many Russians of its Soviet predecessor.

“It’s like trying to show the Soviet Union is beating America by waving a copy of the Izvestia newspaper in someone’s face in 1982 and saying: ‘Look, the dollar is worth only 64 kopecks!”’ said Sergey Khestanov, a Moscow-based professor of finance and banking and advisor to the chief of executive of the Otkritie brokerage. “I’d agree -- if anyone could actually buy a dollar for 64 kopecks.”


The article also talks about the points I made above.
Posted by Gcockboi
Rock Hill
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:12 am to
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Almost as bad as coping with all of the excuses why Russia failed to take Kyiv or Kharkiv.

Russia hasn't even declared an official war with the Ukraine. They have like 200k soldiers compared to the 1 million plus Ukranian forces. They are toying with them, plus not trying to kill citizens, because the hohols love to hide behind Ukraine citizens and in elementary schools. If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes. Go back to reddit and cope with the plebbit trannies and shill bots.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:13 am to
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This is probably hopeium, but as I'm watching the updates with the Ukrainian withdrawal I'm really hoping it goes like Kyiv. Pull back and expose the logistics then start attacking and force them to pull back.


Goodbye


Such a well researched counterpoint that I never considered. Thank you so much for your reponse.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45781 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:14 am to
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Economic sanctions take time to hurt. It isn't like dropping a bomb and killing a bunch of people. It is slow like a cancer.



Bingo. When Putin made the calculation that he could invade Ukraine and not have to worry about economic sanctions. He figured he could conquer Ukraine, replace the Ukrainian government with a puppet government, strike a deal with Ukrainian puppet government, and then leverage the west to drop some of if not all the sanctions. Russia calculated on doing all of that within 6 weeks. He did not count on the Ukrainian resistance delaying his time table to a point where economic sanctions would have an effect. Of course I also think that Biden, the EU, and everyone not on Bankova Street in Kiev counted on the Ukrainian lasting out long enough for sanctions to have an effect either.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46555 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:15 am to
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Russia hasn't even declared an official war with the Ukraine. They have like 200k soldiers compared to the 1 million plus Ukranian forces. They are toying with them, plus not trying to kill citizens, because the hohols love to hide behind Ukraine citizens and in elementary schools. If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes. Go back to reddit and cope with the plebbit trannies and shill bots.


All that massive Russian power, and they couldn't take Kyiv or Kharkiv.



Your RT talking points have already been used in this thread multiple times by your fellow Putin dick suckers. Get some new material.
Posted by Palmetto98
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Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:17 am to
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All that massive Russian power, and they couldn't take Kyiv or Kharkiv.


Then why didn’t they use standard military doctrine to capture these cities?
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:18 am to
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Gcuckboi


Fixed that username for you

quote:

Russia hasn't even declared an official war with the Ukraine. They have like 200k soldiers compared to the 1 million plus Ukranian forces. They are toying with them, plus not trying to kill citizens, because the hohols love to hide behind Ukraine citizens and in elementary schools. If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes. Go back to reddit and cope with the plebbit trannies and shill bots.


Really poor troll attempt
Posted by OldmanBeasley
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:19 am to
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If Russia really went total war l, they'd have the entire country in a week max and that's without nukes.

Real subtle I have no idea what happened in the First World War brag

ETA Assuming Total War 1 was a reference to the first WW
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10496 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:20 am to
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It appears that Russia is throwing the kitchen sink at this one axis and Ukraine is trying to absorb the punch without reinforcements, on the theory Russia doesn't have enough to finish the job or have anything left to stop the counteroffensive

The cope is strong with this one. Lmao


Yep. I've been trying to tell them for 2 weeks.

"bUt rUsSiA iSnT mObiLiZeD"
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46555 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:20 am to
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Then why didn’t they use standard military doctrine to capture these cities?


Why did they send in armor columns without infantry screening? Why are they not paying their troops? Why are the Shtola APSs not working on the T-90s? Why are large numbers of the ERA blocks empty? Why are are the mechanized columns constantly running out of fuel? Why are Russian soldiers abandoning equipment?

I can keep going if you'd like.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10496 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:21 am to
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Here's a tip:

Open google maps. Click on the satellite image tile.

Look at the land around Odessa. Look how far Odessa is from current Russian troop locations.


Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:22 am to
Why aren’t the widows pensions being paid? Why aren’t the KIA families being notified? Why aren’t the missing soldiers families being notified? Where are the billions of dollars that were supposed to be spent on upgrading military equipment?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:24 am to
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Yep. I've been trying to tell them for 2 weeks.

"bUt rUsSiA iSnT mObiLiZeD"


I mean they aren't and they are going out of their way to not because it would be admitting a failure to do so. It's why they raised the contractor solider age so they could get more bodies out there without having to mobilize.

The whole calculus changes (on both sides) if a mobilization is announced and would (from my understanding) not go over well domestically for Putin.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10496 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:24 am to
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Why aren’t the widows pensions being paid? Why aren’t the KIA families being notified? Why aren’t the missing soldiers families being notified? Where are the billions of dollars that were supposed to be spent on upgrading military equipment?




Why's Ukraine getting crushed in Donbas? Lol at you gulping up the propaganda coming from the the United States.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
17734 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:24 am to
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Then why didn’t they use standard military doctrine to capture these cities?



They DID try to use standard military doctrine. The problem is the structure of their forces.

1. Corrupt officers stealing pay from soldiers, Officers paying for their promotions rather than earning through talent

2. Lack of non-commissioned officers

3. Poor maintenance of equipment

4. Officers trained in a culture of lying about readiness

5. Common soldier doesn't understand why he is invading his neighbor

6. Complete misjudgement on importance of secure battlefield comms

7. Complete misjudgement on how effective light AT missiles would be in turning the tables on heavy armor.


Russia is one NATO counter-artillery battery deployment away from losing their artillery advantage
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46555 posts
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:24 am to
So many very interesting questions, and never any answers. Only downvotes.

How odd.
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