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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:06 am to WeeWee
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:06 am to WeeWee
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@RALee85
The BBC confirmed Ukraine's claim that retired Russian Major General Kanamat Botashev was shot down, possibly by a Stinger MANPADS, in a Su-25 aircraft near Popasna on Sunday and killed. It appears he was flying for Wagner.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:09 am to doubleb
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It seems like the Ukranians are doing as I suggested last week. Pulling back, retreating, to a better defense line.
Seems you really were correct:

Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:18 am to Centinel
Does Russia have military assets in Crimea like say Sevastapol and are the people on Crimea fighting or willing to fight for the Ruskies? Sorry if dumb question. Just feel like I don't know what's going on in that area.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 9:24 am to DabosDynasty
It appears that Russia is throwing the kitchen sink at this one axis and Ukraine is trying to absorb the punch without reinforcements, on the theory Russia doesn't have enough to finish the job or have anything left to stop the counteroffensive
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:02 am to Jim Rockford
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It appears that Russia is throwing the kitchen sink at this one axis and Ukraine is trying to absorb the punch without reinforcements, on the theory Russia doesn't have enough to finish the job or have anything left to stop the counteroffensive
This is probably hopeium, but as I'm watching the updates with the Ukrainian withdrawal I'm really hoping it goes like Kyiv. Pull back and expose the logistics then start attacking and force them to pull back.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:04 am to JayDeerTay84
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No, I didnt take issue with it. Everyone else did when I said Ukraine wasn't a sovereign state; yet but a puppet of both the West and Russia.
I think you need to look at it in context. Lima Whiskey said this war was NATO’s and the EU’s fault for expanding, and that a Russian victory would be “preferable.”
People (rightfully IMO) shite on him for those comments, and you replied that:
1. Ukraine isn’t sovereign.
2. Admitting that doesn’t mean you “love Putin.”
In context, that looks like you are defending Russia’s invasion on the basis of Ukraine being a non-sovereign “puppet state.” It also looks like you’re saying Lima Whiskey’s comments don’t make him a pro-Putin even though he literally said “a Russian victory is preferable.”
I don’t think that’s what you meant now, after seeing this whole semantic argument play out. But it’s not hard to see why people would interpret your post the way that they did.
In other words - there’s a difference between arguing that Ukraine lacks sovereignty because they were invaded vs. arguing that the invasion is justifiable because they lack sovereignty. I think many interpreted your post to mean the latter. Just my $0.02.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:08 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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Does Russia have military assets in Crimea like say Sevastapol and are the people on Crimea fighting or willing to fight for the Ruskies? Sorry if dumb question. Just feel like I don't know what's going on in that area.
Crimea was heavily pro-Russian prior to the Maiden. Russia's Black Sea Fleet is based in Crimea and so it does have naval units and naval infantry (aka marines) in Crimea. Russia illegally annexed Crimea 8 years ago and has been distributing Russian passports to the citizens of Crimea for the pass 8 years. It has also been "allowing" citizens of Crimea to leave for Ukraine or in some cases forcing them to leave for Ukraine if they did not want to be give up their Ukrainian citizenship in exchange for Russian citizenship. Plus Russia has been encouraging Russia citizens from Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc to relocate to Crimea. Given all of that I would assume that the citizens Crimea are pretty supportive of Russia. My Ukrainian friends and most of the Ukrainian citizens want Crimea back because the loss of Crimea is a source huge embarrassment for them. However, the Ukrainian leadership realizes that it is lost which is why they are saying they would consider pushing Russia back to the pre 2/23/22 demarcation line enough of a victory to allow them to negotiate from a position of strength.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:38 am to Stidham8
You’re a fool if you think they can take Odessa when they can only make gains in yards not miles and to gain such little ground they sustain massive casualties to troops and armor. Forbes had a good article detailing the situation Russia is in. They have for all intents and purposes sent about 80% of their available active ground forces already which comprises about 130 battle groups out of the 150 or so that Russia has. Each battle group is estimated to have 3 companies of infantry with a tank platoon of 10 tanks and other armored vehicles. When at full strength a Russian battle group contains about 75 armored vehicles but we all know Russia doesn’t maintain their equipment like we do so there’s no chance they are at 100% operating efficiency. It’s thought to be more along the lines of 60-65% available. A battle group is considered combat ineffective if they sustain 30% losses. US estimates are they have lost 8-10% of their armored capability while Ukraine is naturally higher at around 25%. Split the difference between the 2 and you probably have close to the accurate number which is about 15% destroyed. Take that with the fact that there’s no way Russia is operating at 100% efficiency (we don’t even operate 100%) and they are dangerously close to already becoming combat ineffective. Now pull out a map and see just how far they would have to fight to get to Odessa and then tell me they can pull it off. It’s not happening. Ukraine knows the importance of Odessa which is why they have a lot of their forces in that region. To get to Odessa Russia would have to run the gauntlet of a shitload of Javelins and NLAW’s destroying even more of their armor that they already can’t afford to be losing. Putin knows he can’t get there.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:40 am to LSUPilot07
About those sanctions…
ETA: made me curious so I checked the Ruble/USD exchange:
Ruble in better shape today than pre-invasion. Before the accusations, I’m just legitimately trying to understand where the sanctions went. Very rapidly and robustly effective on announcement, but now appear to be inefficient.
Domestically Russia lost some American fast food and coffee franchises, but ruble has recovered quickly and exceeds pre-invasion levels. Seemingly indicates the only Russian O&G not flowing is by their choice (cutting Finland and Poland off).
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:44 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I still want someone to explain the existential threat Russia faces to the United States should they take over Ukraine.
Look at recent history. It was just last year that Russia took down one of the major pipelines in the USA by cyberattack. It launched multiple cyberattacks against US government agencies in 2020. Russia provide financial support to the socialist government in Venezuela and that government is funding and organizing the migrant caravans which have lead to surging crimes in the USA. The Russian government also funds ANTIFA and other groups looking to create trouble in the USA. Then there is the future conflict between the USA and Russia over resources in the Arctic. A powerful Russia is a bad neighbor and a global troublemaker. So it is in the USA's best interest to knock its troublemaking neighbor down before it becomes an even bigger problem.
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If this conflict has done anything, it has demonstrated that American involvement in NATO has reached it's expiration date.
Are you not paying attention to what is happening or just down right stupid? Russia has not attacked the Baltic states, Poland, or Sweden and Finland because the USA has increased our troop deployment to Europe by over 30% this year and extended that protection to include Sweden and Finland. Europe has finally gotten the message and realized it needs to defend itself and it is defending itself by purchasing American made equipment. Poland, Finland, and Germany have all purchased F-35s in the last 2 years. Poland has purchased 250 M1A2s, Romania and Bulgaria have purchased F-16s and are in the process of purchasing M1A2s. NATO does not allow countries to purchase equipment from non-NATO countries which is why Turkey was sanctioned by NATO and kicked out of the F-35 program when it purchased the S-400 from Russia. If the USA left NATO then those billions of dollars worth of military purchases and the jobs that come with them would go to Germany and France.
Also participating in and working with out first world nations helps keep the American military the best in the world. The USA spent the 1980s working with and drilling in Europe to come up with tactics to defeat the USSR which is why we were able to destroy Iraq's USSR trained military in less than 100 hours in 1991. Hell just look at this current conflict. Prior to 2014, Ukraine mainly trained with itself and its leaders were educated in Ukrainian military schools. When the Ukrainian military went up against the Russian backed separatists in the fall of 2014 and winter of 2015 it got its arse handed to it. Ukraine then spent the next 7 years working with and training with NATO. By training with other nations it was able to learn tactics to defeat Russia despite still being mostly armed with Soviet era weapons. Russia does not train with other militaries and therefore it cannot take the blinders off and adapt.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:46 am to DabosDynasty
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About those sanctions…
They're unable to produce tanks, SAMs, aircraft, etc.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:53 am to DabosDynasty
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Russia is running out of tanks. That's the inescapable conclusion from reports that it's transporting some of its reported 2,500 stored T-62s to support its war in Ukraine. What does this mean logistically and operationally? A ?? with some observations and deductions. /1
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Starting to see the first pieces of evidence to back up what the UK MOD, the ISW, the Australian intel ppl, and the posters on who are paying attention and are honest have been saying. Russia is running out of tanks. It is now having to dig into its reserves to not only find unmodernized T-72 but it is also now sending T-62s to the front. That is just going to make Russia's logistical system even more difficult. The T-62 uses a one piece 115 mm round instead of a 2 piece 125 mm round used by the T-72, T-80, and T-90.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:55 am to StormyMcMan
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This is probably hopeium, but as I'm watching the updates with the Ukrainian withdrawal I'm really hoping it goes like Kyiv. Pull back and expose the logistics then start attacking and force them to pull back.
Goodbye
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:55 am to Centinel
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They're unable to produce tanks, SAMs, aircraft, etc.
Yes, but they’re economic sanctions that now seemingly lack economic effect relative to the strength of the announcements.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 10:58 am to DabosDynasty
How much of that surplus is because they can't import anything. Money is worthless if nobody will sell to you.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:00 am to WeeWee
When our Javelins are averaging a 90% kill rate at whatever they are fired at then it’s not hard to see why they are running out of tanks. That’s not even accounting for the British NLAW which is a damn good weapon itself. Ukraine has also captured 300 of their more modern T-72 tanks.
This post was edited on 5/24/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:01 am to DabosDynasty
Economic sanctions take time to hurt. It isn't like dropping a bomb and killing a bunch of people. It is slow like a cancer.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:03 am to Jim Rockford
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How much of that surplus is because they can't import anything. Money is worthless if nobody will sell to you.
I feel solidly sure that’s a significant part of the change in surplus, but their exports are up as well, meaning O&G is still flowing which we all knew and continue to know was the bite in any sanction package. Russia runs on it and clearly the west has not taken it away despite their words.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 11:06 am to Jim Rockford
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It appears that Russia is throwing the kitchen sink at this one axis and Ukraine is trying to absorb the punch without reinforcements, on the theory Russia doesn't have enough to finish the job or have anything left to stop the counteroffensive
The cope is strong with this one. Lmao
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