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re: LA BESE Education Board proposes HS diplomas for students failing state tests

Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20430 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:47 pm to
To be honest, the way the govt and school systems handled COVID, something had/has to be done.


I think the last study I saw showed kids are anywhere from 4-8mo behind. That’s an entire school year in some cases.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91320 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:47 pm to
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In all honesty, we should all be championing this idea of qualitative measurement over the antiquated, factory-model multiple-guess tests students are still taking.


This sounds like the kind of thing where people who got a 3.8 but a 20 on the ACT blame it on being a bad test taker instead of the fact that they simply don’t actually know the material. They memorized it for tests, but they don’t actually know it nor do they know how to apply it.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:48 pm to
Passing state tests should be the absolute baseline for graduation. I got perfects on entire sections of the LEAP tests multiple times in a row. On one I think I missed one question on the whole thing. It couldn't possibly be easier. That was over 20 years ago, I'm sure they've watered it down much more since then.

ETA: I also flunked completely out of high school, but that is a completely separate issue all together.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9501 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:50 pm to
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students to receive a diploma by completing a teacher-graded portfolio



In all honesty, we should all be championing this idea of qualitative measurement over the antiquated, factory-model multiple-guess tests students are still taking. I have my doubts as to how the portfolios will be evaluated in this case, but it should become the new standard for all students.


They already do this. It’s called report cards, and too many teachers are inflating grades and passing problem students.
Posted by Quatrepot
Member since Jun 2023
4154 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:52 pm to
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This is what the frick is wrong with schools, this is all they are worried about.
”They” meaning the State? Schools only worry because BESE sets it as something to rank them on, in part.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70643 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:56 pm to
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They already do this. It’s called report cards, and too many teachers are inflating grades and passing problem students.


That's where the state accountability measures come into place.

One of the best experiences I ever had in education was at a top public school that required all seniors to submit a senior project as part of graduation. Students undertook a problem in a subject area of particular interest to them. They sought out a community mentor, researched the subject, and formulated a solution to the problem. They then had to present their work publicly. The project inherently integrated all academic subjects within a single project. Some of the best projects came from vo-tech, athletes, and others groups of students some might not otherwise think of as traditional academics/scholars.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
22007 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:59 pm to
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To be honest, the way the govt and school systems handled COVID, something had/has to be done.
get the frick out of here commie
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5799 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:22 pm to
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Let’s just act like everyone is graduating and doing great, so that we look better!

This has been happening since Covid anyway. How any kid doesn’t complete HS is beyond me.
Posted by JOJO Hammer
Member since Nov 2010
12327 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:32 pm to
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Why do we have to keep lowering the bar for a certain demographic?


It’s not just for a certain demographic, but all people are easier to control when they are stupid.
Posted by LsuFan_1955
Slidell, La
Member since Jul 2013
1908 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:54 pm to
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All this does is handicap children for life. Long term, you’re essentially handicapping generations of children into poverty with zero chance of breaking the cycle.


And that is exactly what democraps want!
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
9501 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:09 pm to
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One of the best experiences I ever had in education was at a top public school that required all seniors to submit a senior project as part of graduation. They sought out a community mentor, researched the subject, and formulated a solution to the problem. They then had to present their work publicly.


Big key is top public school.

How many top public schools have kids that can’t pass a minimum standard state test required for graduation?

Projects like mentioned are doable in top schools and in some districts, but they would be difficult if not next to impossible in others. It’s not just the students or teachers but also funding and the community affecting the process.

I do agree that multiple choice tests aren’t always best way to distinguish between higher levels of achievement in the classroom or show the student’s ability to apply that knowledge, but we are talking about a bare minimum standard to graduate with these standardized tests.

If a student fails these minimum state tests while getting passing grades or higher in the classes the teachers, the schools, and the districts should also be held accountable not allowed to grade or judge any project that will hide their incompetence.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13868 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:25 pm to
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allow those students to receive a diploma by completing a teacher-graded portfolio.


Portfolio—I’m thinking an artist or architect. As long as someone posts the contents of the aforementioned portfolio, I will not protest.

Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17119 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:29 pm to
Have to admit. Didn't realize that the LA Department of Education does not have authority over education/graduation standards.

Seems like BESE would be the advisory board and Dept of Education would be the ones actually making the rules.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 10:32 pm
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103130 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:33 pm to


As if a HS diploma in this state wasn’t damn near worthless already.
Posted by jacquespene8
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
4397 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:34 pm to
Right out of college I had no clue what I wanted to do. I interviewed for a teaching position at a rural high school so I could coach football.

The interviewers kept talking about what BESE says and this and that. Finally I said, who is Bessy?

I didn’t get the job.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53732 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:10 pm to
Tell me Doris Voitier isn’t one of them
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
598 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:11 pm to
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I’ve never understood why people, myself included, refer to it as the “BESE Board” when the B stands for Board.
The BESE board makes sure you learn things like how to get money out of an ATM machine with a PIN number; the board is part of the Department of Redundancy Department.
Posted by NOLATiger163
Insane State of NOLA
Member since Aug 2018
598 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:14 pm to
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I've always hated the concept of remedial classes at the college level. Bitch, if you didn't master high school English in high school, learn to weld.
I hear you, although I favor a slightly softer approach. I'd like to see a state statute banning four-year state universities and colleges from teaching any remedial classes. If you need a remedial class, then you should get it at a community college.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23075 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:15 pm to
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Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education (BESE) members gave preliminary approval to a new regulation that would allow those students to receive a diploma by completing a teacher-graded portfolio


Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
11818 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:19 pm to
Why not, didn’t some law students get their degree and not have to pass the bar recently?
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