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re: Kid suspended for wearing pro-veterans shirt to school

Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:07 pm to
not really

especially when compared to something like that Muslim kid and his clock.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:13 pm to
Kid wears shirt with gun to school(a clear violation of the dress code), is asked to change, refuses to change, and is suspended. I see nothing wrong here.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74268 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:15 pm to
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy. I think just about every school, if not all of them, has a policy prohibiting wearing shirts that display guns, cigarettes, illegal contraband and the like.

Why the frick is it hard to follow clear and simple rules?




This, 80% of the posters here went to schools with dresscodes anyway. Like they wouldn't have gotten suspended for wearing this shirt at Jesuit or Rummel.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:15 pm to
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not really

especially when compared to something like that Muslim kid and his clock.


And these are definitely equivalent situations. Like almost exactly the same. /sarcasm in case you weren't picking up on it
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84725 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:23 pm to
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy

Rules are unbending, unyielding mandates handed down from God above that must be strictly adhered to without thought. Upon pain of death.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:23 pm to
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Like they wouldn't have gotten suspended for wearing this shirt at Jesuit or Rummel.



Private schools can do whatever they want. You accept their terms and conditions as a prerequisite to admission. Not that it matters- they all have uniforms anyway.

Unlike private schools, public schools have to afford you your right to freedom of speech. See Tinker v. Des Moines.

quote:

In December 1965, a group of students in Des Moines held a meeting in the home of 16-year-old Christopher Eckhardt to plan a public showing of their support for a truce in the Vietnam war. They decided to wear black armbands throughout the holiday season and to fast on December 16 and New Year's Eve. The principals of the Des Moines school learned of the plan and met on December 14 to create a policy that stated that any student wearing an armband would be asked to remove it, with refusal to do so resulting in suspension. On December 16, Mary Beth Tinker and Christopher Eckhardt wore their armbands to school and were sent home. The following day, John Tinker did the same with the same result.


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The Supreme Court held that the armbands represented pure speech that is entirely separate from the actions or conduct of those participating in it. The Court also held that the students did not lose their First Amendment rights to freedom of speech when they stepped onto school property. In order to justify the suppression of speech, the school officials must be able to prove that the conduct in question would "materially and substantially interfere" with the operation of the school. In this case, the school district's actions evidently stemmed from a fear of possible disruption rather than any actual interference.


LINK

I wouldn't be surprised to see the kid take legal action.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60684 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:29 pm to
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America is a sad place today.

Maybe you're just a sad person.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84725 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:30 pm to
I've been horny lately.
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
7193 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:34 pm to
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy. I think just about every school, if not all of them, has a policy prohibiting wearing shirts that display guns, cigarettes, illegal contraband and the like. Why the frick is it hard to follow clear and simple rules?
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:35 pm to
I don't like it, but I side with the school. If the rule was implemented before the shirt was worn, then thems the breaks.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:37 pm to
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I think the phrase "objectionable" puts this in a gray area. An album cover with some gangster brandishing an assault rifle...ok that I can see being against the rules.


You even quoted the part that states "including weapons"
I don't like it but if that is what the policy states, then he broke the rules.

And you are a special kind of stupid
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139452 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:38 pm to
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Maybe you're just a sad person.


No, but this country is terribly in decline in all areas. If you don't see it, you are blind.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74268 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:40 pm to
Actually learned something new, thanks.

You can see why some of it isn't acceptable. Even in the 90s we couldn't have guns on our shirts.







If the rule is, "No Guns on shirts" then that's the rule.

Same as when they banned "Big Johnson" shirts, or All white t-shirts in school.
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted by Brian12
Member since Apr 2015
392 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:40 pm to
I knew this was either California, Washington, or Oregon before I even clicked on it. Those people have all lost their minds.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:49 pm to
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Actually learned something new, thanks.

You can see why some of it isn't acceptable. Even in the 90s we couldn't have guns on our shirts.

If the rule is, "No Guns on shirts" then that's the rule.

Same as when they banned "Big Johnson" shirts, or All white t-shirts in school.



I can definitely see why someone would make that policy. I get it. But I also don't think that principals should be able to make up whatever rules they want to. As long as it doesn't disrupt/interfere with classroom operations, they should be able to wear whatever they want.

I have a hard time believing a "support your veterans" shirt will do that.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64367 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 2:51 pm to
Whats the big deal??? Kid should know the dress code. Pretty simple.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122173 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:02 pm to
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No, but this country is terribly in decline in all areas. If you don't see it, you are blind.


Just because things change it doesn't mean there is a decline. There is one area I think that has declined and that's education. If you think the government has become a circus, the only people to blame are the voters.

Also, there are only a few qualifications a person has to meet in order to run for office so you can go a step further and not just go vote, but run for office. In other words, we the people have more power than perceived.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13168 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:04 pm to
Is the rules say not to do something, and you do it anyway, you face the outcome.

People who are upset about this would want a shirt with a bunch of people overdosing on drugs to be suspended.

It's the rule, follow it or don't. But when you get in trouble don't cry about it. I don't care for the rule, but it's the rule.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13168 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:06 pm to
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I can definitely see why someone would make that policy. I get it. But I also don't think that principals should be able to make up whatever rules they want to. As long as it doesn't disrupt/interfere with classroom operations, they should be able to wear whatever they want. I have a hard time believing a "support your veterans" shirt will do that.


How do you choose which gun shirts are OK and which ones aren't? You make a sweeping rule.

We all have to follow rules that are more strict than they need to be. That's the way it goes.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:07 pm to
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Also, there are only a few qualifications a person has to meet in order to run for office so you can go a step further and not just go vote, but run for office. In other words, we the people have more power than perceived.


One very big qualification, to get in a position of any real power anyway, is to get financial backing in order to run. In your ideal world anyone can run and win. In reality whoever wins will be beholden to whoever got him elected. They want favorable policies, laws, a high ROI.

The power isn't with the person getting elected, but the people choosing candidates, i.e. those with a lot of money.
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