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re: Kid suspended for wearing pro-veterans shirt to school
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:10 pm to TexasTiger1185
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:10 pm to TexasTiger1185
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How do you choose which gun shirts are OK and which ones aren't?
Outlaw ones that are disruptive and allow ones that aren't. I didn't make that determination, our Supreme Court did. Like you said everyone has to follow rules, even principals.
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 3:14 pm
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Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
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quote: How do you choose which gun shirts are OK and which ones aren't? Outlaw ones that are disruptive and allow ones that aren't. I didn't make that determination, our Supreme Court did. Like you said everyone has to follow rules, even principals.
Allowing certain gun shirts and not others is inherently disruptive.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:20 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Like you said everyone has to follow rules, even principals.
If the principal really wanted to follow the rules he would have just suspended the kid instead of giving him the option to change shirts.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:20 pm to TexasTiger1185
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Allowing certain gun shirts and not others is inherently disruptive
That's for the judgement of the principal, god forbid they use that anymore.
It's exactly that line of thinking that has caused zero tolerance policies to flourish. Throw all judgement out the window and treat all incidents the same.
ETA: Do you see how this
Could be disruptive versus
?
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:56 pm to NYNolaguy1
It's obviously not a zero tolerance policy embedded in the rule. This type of rule is up to the discretion of the principal. The principal was a pussy for interpeting this as something that would be construed as inciteful or provocative. The message isn't one of violence or aggression. For all you purists out there, go ahead and ban this symbol from schools for including weaponry in its imagery:
Whether or not the kid and his family are rednecks searching for attention is of little consequence to this issue. The principal made a woeful misinterpretation of the rule, and the end result was unreasonable, regardless of whether or not he allowed the student to change it.
Whether or not the kid and his family are rednecks searching for attention is of little consequence to this issue. The principal made a woeful misinterpretation of the rule, and the end result was unreasonable, regardless of whether or not he allowed the student to change it.
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/14/15 at 4:01 pm to High C
Nice shirt, but it's against the rules, and the school gave the kid a fair chance at complying, and he refused. I have no problem with protocol here.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 4:46 pm to musick
Slippery slope in this day and age as well
Minority child wears in a shirt with whatever racial group, say black panthers. School asks him to remove he replies well tommy gets to wear his veteran shirt, the black panthers are fighting for my rights and privileges you are a racist etc,
Media runs with it and burns down entire school for the atrocities that occurred there
Minority child wears in a shirt with whatever racial group, say black panthers. School asks him to remove he replies well tommy gets to wear his veteran shirt, the black panthers are fighting for my rights and privileges you are a racist etc,
Media runs with it and burns down entire school for the atrocities that occurred there
Posted on 10/14/15 at 5:39 pm to High C
Had everything to do with the gun and nothing about Veterans.
Seeing as my elementary school banned the Simpsons t-shirts when they first came out, this is much ado about nothing.
Well, except for the MURICA posters.
Seeing as my elementary school banned the Simpsons t-shirts when they first came out, this is much ado about nothing.
Well, except for the MURICA posters.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 5:53 pm to FalseProphet
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy. I think just about every school, if not all of them, has a policy prohibiting wearing shirts that display guns, cigarettes, illegal contraband and the like.
I remember some kid in elementary school got in trouble for wearing clothes with Marlboro logos on them all the time but the teacher found out that his family didn't have money for clothes so they bought all his outfits with Marlboro points
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:02 pm to LNCHBOX
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This shirt is in clear violation of the rule as quoted in the article.
Sorry your reading comprehension is terrible.
quote:
quote: clothing containing objectionable language or symbols, including weapons
The rule prohibits objectionable symbols. It then provides a qualifier that weapons are subject the standard of objectionable. The subjective "objectionable" evaluation must still be applied to the image of weapons.
Clearly the administrator had subjective review per the rule.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:15 pm to LSUBoo
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Kid suspended for wearing pro-veterans shirt to school Seems like this all played out appropriately to me. Kid wore a shirt to school with a weapon on it, against the rules, regardless of how it's depicted. Principal gave him the chance to change rather than immediately suspend him, that's being reasonable. Kid refused, kid gets suspended. Actions have consequences. Nothing wrong with any of this.
The circle isn't closed yet. Gotta get that 500k in gofundme "educational expenses." Make it happen culture warriors.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:29 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Sorry your reading comprehension is terrible.
My reading comprehension is just fine. Weapons are included as objectionable.
quote:which weapons are expressly included as.
The rule prohibits objectionable symbols
quote:
The subjective "objectionable" evaluation must still be applied to the image of weapons.
No, the rule says objectionable symbols, including weapons, are prohibited. By listing weapons specifically, that means weapons are included in objectionable symbols.
But thanks for the lecture.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:36 pm to LNCHBOX
Well at least the kid didn't lie. He stood his ground just like his shirt said he would.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:46 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
I think the whole thing worked out rather well. Guy wore his shirt, admin gave him the chance to change instead of just suspending without question, kid decided to take punishment. Everyone wins.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 7:13 pm to FalseProphet
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy. I think just about every school, if not all of them, has a policy prohibiting wearing shirts that display guns, cigarettes, illegal contraband and the like.
Why the frick is it hard to follow clear and simple rules?
agree.
his parents probably put him up to this
Posted on 10/14/15 at 7:16 pm to High C
My kids would never step another foot in that school
Posted on 10/14/15 at 7:57 pm to Brian12
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I knew this was either California, Washington, or Oregon before I even clicked on it. Those people have all lost their minds.
But on the other hand, those states value personal liberty in ways that red states don't.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 8:17 pm to FalseProphet
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Not violate the fricking dress code policy. I think just about every school, if not all of them, has a policy prohibiting wearing shirts that display guns, cigarettes, illegal contraband and the like.
Why the frick is it hard to follow clear and simple rules?
This without the f-word.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 8:28 pm to lsuson
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My kids would never step another foot in that school
Nor would mine, but for a different reason.
I would send over a copy of the Tinker decision and ask the principal to show me where the kids shirt materially interfered with the class.
I would then ask how the school board's general counsel feels about it.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 8:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Outlaw ones that are disruptive
If you are disrupted by a t-shirt, you are more likely the problem. The rule should be, "people easily offended by tshirts will be suspended."
I went to school and kids wore rock tshirts with skulls and guns an crap, jagermeister shirts, big johnson shirts, spud mckenzie shirts, camel cigarette shirts, and just about anything else you can think of. Didn't ever once blink an eye or care what little Johnny was wearing. I honestly think the "adults" were the ones bent out of shape. Silliness.
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 8:41 pm
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