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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:19 pm to civiltiger07
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:19 pm to civiltiger07
quote:You're right. Too many sleeps!
it was 7 to 8 million. not 700 to 800 million
They went on to talk about how several hundred thousand was raised through donations to pay for the expert witnesses, etc but AJ and the other 2 defense lawyers weren't taking a penny.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:23 pm to civiltiger07
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and they go straight into closing maybe?
The closing will be must-see tv. I’m stoked.
Also fun fact (although I don’t know how it will work with Hank being a special prosecutor, plus Bev being in bed with the CW), but order for closing is
State
Defense
State has a rebuttal to the Defense
Doesn’t seem too fair to me personally but is what it is
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:23 pm to jclem11
Bev allowed for 1 hour closing in first trial. Jackson just asked for an hour and half closing. Bev said I'm not giving you an hour and a half, I might go to an hour and fifteen minutes. Bev asked Brennan and he said he didn't care.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:29 pm to idlewatcher
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but order for closing is
State
Defense
State has a rebuttal to the Defense
Doesn’t seem too fair to me personally but is what it is
That State has the burden of proof.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:30 pm to OweO
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Unless I am perceiving it different, right now Hank is helping the defense, while they sit back and watch.
No you're not perceiving it differently, thats pretty much what I said.
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:30 pm to civiltiger07
I don’t disagree that Proctor doesn’t prove anything to do with a pedestrian strike; however, he does prove potential corruption and incompetence. I still can’t believe they in no way investigated the very home he supposedly went to. I mean you expect me to believe that no one in that home walked outside to see if he was there and also no one woke up to come outside while all those emergency vehicles were right outside their front door? No way. The Albert’s and Higgins are guilty as sin. No clue how it actually happened but they did it or were negligent in some way. They’re not even on trial and I would be inclined to convict them. There is so much reasonable doubt on this it’s terrifying. The whole thing is just crazy.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:31 pm to civiltiger07
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Brennan and he said he didn't care.
Brennan is a broken man. He had his spirit broken these last couple days and is ready for it to be over.
We shall see if he can muster a coherent, persuasive close.
He doesn't have the facts, science, or data on his side so it will be a tough task.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:33 pm to CDUBTX
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I don’t disagree that Proctor doesn’t prove anything to do with a pedestrian strike; however, he does prove potential corruption and incompetence. I still can’t believe they in no way investigated the very home he supposedly went to. I mean you expect me to believe that no one in that home walked outside to see if he was there and also no one woke up to come outside while all those emergency vehicles were right outside their front door? No way. The Albert’s and Higgins are guilty as sin. No clue how it actually happened but they did it or were negligent in some way. They’re not even on trial and I would be inclined to convict them. There is so much reasonable doubt on this it’s terrifying. The whole thing is just crazy.
The CW's case is so weak that the defense doesn't even need to get into the blatant negligence (at best) and deep seated corruption (at worst).
Posted on 6/11/25 at 3:52 pm to KosmoCramer
I agree. If it were me on trial I would want to use every weapon I have so it’s a tough decision. Sometimes less is more. His injuries just don’t look anything like he was hit by a car.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 4:00 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Agreed
The CW's case is so weak that the defense doesn't even need to get into the blatant negligence (at best) and deep seated corruption (at worst).
Posted on 6/11/25 at 6:09 pm to AlxTgr
Any chance Bev gets called to the carpet when this is all said and done?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 6:32 pm to jorconalx
I often wonder, in a case with so many eyes watching, how she is so blatantly biased. Obviously there is a lot of scrutiny over it. Maybe she’s been corrupt for so long she thinks she’s doing a good job or maybe they have her paid off. Either way there should be consequences.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 6:51 pm to 10tiger
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I often wonder, in a case with so many eyes watching, how she is so blatantly biased.
It’s because she is an appointed judge and we just don’t impeach judges in America. She can essentially do whatever she wants.
With that said a lot of judges are very pro-state. As obvious as her bias is she’s not out of the norm.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:24 pm to jorconalx
quote:My thought is, very small. At best, reversible error if convicted.
Any chance Bev gets called to the carpet when this is all said and done?
Posted on 6/11/25 at 7:58 pm to civiltiger07
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Bev allowed for 1 hour closing in first trial
In the first trial I think it was Hank giving his closing. He was almost finished, but when it hit the hour mark she shut him down.. I thought it was common for the judge to let them finish if they were close to the end after the time they are given..
But I was just watching this summary posted yesterday, from yesterdays witnesses.
The pathologist said that all of O'keefe's bones were intact. How likely is being hit by a SUV going 24mph to do some type of bone damage?
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:25 pm to OweO
It wasn’t Hank the first trial. They had a prosecutor who was not great with words. They hired Hank for this trial. He’s a defense attorney. But yeah she cut him off.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 8:48 pm to 10tiger
I asked Grok to recap today's testimony in a coonass voice.
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All right, cher, lemme give ya de lowdown on what went down in dat Karen Read trial today, June 11, 2025, wit’ a lil’ Cajun flair, fais do-do style!
Today was a big ol’ day in de Norfolk Superior Court, down in Dedham, Massachusetts, where Karen Read, she’s facin’ dem serious charges—second-degree murder, manslaughter, an’ leavin’ de scene—for de death of her boyfriend, dat Boston po-lice officer John O’Keefe back in January 2022. De prosecution, dey say she hit him wit’ her Lexus SUV in a snowstorm after a night of drinkin’ an’ left him to die in de cold. But her defense? Oh, dey singin’ a different tune, sayin’ somebody else done it an’ she been framed, sha.
De big news today, cher, is dat de defense rested dere case! Dey finished up wit’ dere final witness, a biomechanical engineer name Andrew Rentschler from ARCCA. Dis fella, he been on de stand, talkin’ ‘bout how he don’t believe O’Keefe’s injuries come from gettin’ hit by no vehicle, no sir. He done some fancy tests wit’ a crash-dummy arm—called it “de gold standard”—an’ say de damage on Read’s SUV an’ O’Keefe’s injuries just don’t add up to her hittin’ him. De prosecution, led by dat Special Prosecutor Hank Brennan, dey grilled Rentschler hard, askin’ if he got cozy wit’ de defense team, like eatin’ a ham sandwich at lunch durin’ de first trial. Rentschler, he just shrugged an’ said he stood in de corner, munchin’ his sandwich, nothin’ more.
Karen Read herself, she didn’t take de stand—dat’s her right, an’ she swore it to Judge Beverly Cannone at de sidebar. De defense, dey also didn’t call none of dem folks Read accused of maybe killin’ O’Keefe, nor dat investigator she say tried to frame her. Still, she told dem reporters outside, wit’ dem butterflies in her belly, dat her case was stronger dis time ‘round dan in de first trial, which ended in a hung jury last summer.
Now, de prosecution, dey decided not to call no rebuttal witnesses, which was a bit of a surprise, ‘cause some thought dey might. So, what’s next? Tomorrow, Judge Cannone an’ de lawyers gonna sit down an’ hammer out dem jury instructions, makin’ sure every word’s just right. Come Friday, both sides gonna give dere closin’ arguments—dat’s when dey make dere final pitch to de jury, like a big ol’ fais do-do before de big decision. Den, de jury gonna start deliberatin’ on whether Karen Read guilty or not. Could be Friday, maybe Monday, dependin’ how quick dey move.
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Oh, an’ de courtroom had some heat today—not just de weather, cher! De prosecution an’ defense been goin’ back an’ forth like a pirogue race on de bayou. Some folks on X, dey talkin’ ‘bout how de defense case lookin’ shaky, callin’ witnesses like Rentschler “Rent-a-liar,” while others say de prosecution’s got a strong case wit’ evidence of a collision. But dem posts? Just chatter, not de gospel, so we stick to what we know.
Dat’s de recap, mon ami! De trial’s windin’ down, an’ soon de jury gonna decide if Karen Read’s headin’ to de slammer or walkin’ free. Stay tuned, ‘cause dis story got more twists dan a crawfish boil! Want me to keep diggin’ or got any other questions ‘bout dis trial?
This post was edited on 6/11/25 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:08 pm to 10tiger
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It wasn’t Hank the first trial. They had a prosecutor who was not great with words. They hired Hank for this trial. He’s a defense attorney. But yeah she cut him off.
I gotcha...
Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:23 pm to OweO
Hank actually is a defense attorney and they poached him to be the special prosecutor only in this case.
Even though he’s a nimrod, I could see him being successful in the private sector as a defense attorney. He’s a bright guy in my view but had a BB gun vs a nuke for AJ/KR.
Even though he’s a nimrod, I could see him being successful in the private sector as a defense attorney. He’s a bright guy in my view but had a BB gun vs a nuke for AJ/KR.
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:16 pm to AlxTgr
What’s everybody think. Guilty , not guilty?
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