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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge

Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:18 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:18 am to
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Unfortunately, in the society and culture we live in, hopelessness is not unreasonable or confusing. The solution for addiction is not in curbing access to drugs, but in creating situations that preclude the need to become addicted.




Self medication is a more serious problem than the party goer who uses on weekends. The problem is that drugs/alcohol are very effective in the beginning of masking emotional pain but it's definitely a trap.

The percentage of people prone to self medicating is probably much lower than fear mongers would like us to believe.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56529 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:20 am to
Those were not the kind of situations I was speaking of, but I'm not entirely capable or willing to write a novel on how substance addiction is a result of a decaying society.

Regardless, I ask two questions:

1. Do you deny that it is possible for someone to use a substance responsibly?

2. Do you believe that prohibition in its current form deters and solves substance abuse effectively?
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 1:27 am
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13533 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 1:25 am to
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As if you can control for that. Are you going to outlaw jobs firing employees, landlords evicting residents for lack of payment because rent money was spent on heroin? Are you going to outlaw workplace stress?



This dudes gotta be trolling
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:03 am to
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Legalize and regulate heroin? You're shitting me right?
ALL drugs should be legalized and regulated. Throwing non-violent drug offenders in jail is stupid.

There are more effective ways to fight drug use than mass incarceration.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5914 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:12 am to
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ALL drugs should be legalized and regulated.


Heroin, meth, anything similar... Absolutely not.
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:21 am to
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Heroin, meth, anything similar... Absolutely not.
Something like this would be a better option than mass incarceration, which has been an abject failure.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149467 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:29 am to
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Legalize and regulate it
for frickING HEROIN???
Posted by JazzyJeff
Japan
Member since Sep 2006
3938 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 2:34 am to
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for frickING HEROIN???
treat drug users as patients in need of a cure; not criminals
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:06 am to
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Then people will do it!!!


People are doing it.I'm not.

eta:I don'y know where to get Heroin but I'd be willing to bet if I wanted to do it I could find some.
People that want to do it,are doing it.Might as well give them access to Needle exchange to cut down on the HIV and Hep-C.Give them access to Narcon so they quit ODing.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 6:42 am
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:12 am to
Agreed. Meanwhile Big Pharma is raking In billions killing people with just as much intent and not one has been arrested for it.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 7:51 am to
Yes, legalize heroin. Markets: how do they work?
Posted by BoominHogtown
Quantico
Member since Dec 2012
421 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 7:57 am to
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Imagine what Drano would do if you ingested that. It is legal. In fact many things that would kill you if ingested is legal. Do you really the government to make those things illegal to keep you from partaking?


The high I get from mainlining dran-o just doesn't feel the same as black tar though.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73194 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:01 am to
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We regulate alcohol. Has that solved alcohol-related deaths?



Please look up the history of Prohibition and the murders and mayhem caused by the bootleggers of the 20's and 30's.

I would say yes, it has seriously helped in regards to forcing liquor distributors to fund AAA and awareness ads.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:10 am to
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treat drug users as patients in need of a cure; not criminals


This man was not a drug user. He was a supplier. I do not have any problem on taking it easy of people with drug problems. Prison may not be the best solution for the average junkie but this dude was SELLING heroin. He had over an ounce in his car. There is a huge difference to me here. If a junkie gets pulled over with 1/4 gram of heroin, he needs help, not jail. If you are pulled over selling this shite, you need to be dealt with harshly, IMO.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
12576 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:13 am to
shite he was selling was probably cut with half-baked fentanyl and rat poison.

Pretty much attempted murder by scum distributors of these products, IMO.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58988 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:18 am to
I love how people act like legalizing heroin is so absurd when doctors prescribe what is essentially the same thing
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25119 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:19 am to
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But I'd also like to believe the legal repercussions (as well as health effects) is what deters most sane people from getting involved with a drug like heroin.


You WANT to believe that most of the people that you interact with on a daily basis arent doing fricking HEROIN because of legal ramifications?!!?!
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40279 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:32 am to
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shite he was selling was probably cut with half-baked fentanyl and rat poison.

Pretty much attempted murder by scum distributors of these products, IMO.


Sounds like we should put these dealers out of business, amirite?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:40 am to
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Agreed. Meanwhile Big Pharma is raking In billions killing people with just as much intent and not one has been arrested for i


Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 3/17/16 at 10:49 am to
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People say heroin is a gateway drug


it is...to a mortuary
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