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re: Judge gives guy 50 years no parole for drug charge
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:36 am to chattabama
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:36 am to chattabama
Would you support another prohibition on alcohol? if you wouldn't, you have some serious cognitive dissonance.
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Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:37 am to jg8623
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Could is the key word there
Are you saying that there is any way my family wouldn't be affected if I were to use heroin? Newsflash: Heroin is extremely addictive. Long-term users of heroin don't do it for fun anymore, but they do it because they are extremely addicted. It is impossible to be a long term user of heroin without being addicted and without having lifetime consequences.
It is, however, entirely possible to partake in alcohol for a lifetime without being addicted. Several people have a glass of wine with dinner or a drink with friends without it impacting their lives. The addictive nature of heroin makes it impossible to do this.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:38 am to chattabama
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Obviously. But legalization of drugs would lead to this occurring even more than it already does.
More people would end up using the drug, which can harm others
The illegal drug market for said drug would dissappear, thus cutting out all illegal activity that goes with it that harms others
It all comes down to which side you feel would have the bigger impact on society. And I don't know the answer when it comes to heroin or cocaine or whatever. But I do know that alcohol regulation seems to have been the answer since prohibition proved that wasn't working
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:39 am to chattabama
So what's your solution? Because the current system is keeping people interested in heroin from getting heroin. In fact it's pretty damn easy if you have the money.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:40 am to chattabama
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I think, in some ways, they are, for we cannot depend on the individual conscience to decide what is legal and what should be illegal.
Well, at least you don't try to hide your love for the Nanny State.
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I think I am safe when going twenty plus MPH over the speed limit. I could even argue that I have yet to be involved in a major accident as proof that I am safe when driving way over the speed limit. Why should a police officer tell me that I can't go 85 in a 65? Is it because my actions affect others?
If you didn't cause an accident, absolutely not.
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If I did heroin, that would absolutely affect others even if i did it in the privacy of my own home. My family, children, neighbors, job, etc. could all be affected by this choice.
Absolutely and could do not mean the same thing.
Would you support a ban on alcohol?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:41 am to JohnnyKilroy
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So what's your solution? Because the current system is keeping people interested in heroin from getting heroin. In fact it's pretty damn easy if you have the money.
Increase sentences for hard drug dealers. Increase border patrol.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:43 am to chattabama
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Are you saying that there is any way my family wouldn't be affected if I were to use heroin? Newsflash: Heroin is extremely addictive. Long-term users of heroin don't do it for fun anymore, but they do it because they are extremely addicted. It is impossible to be a long term user of heroin without being addicted and without having lifetime consequences.
If you did heroin tomorrow night by yourself then I doubt it would affect anyone else at all. And yes, I do agree that heroin and opiates in general are the most addictive drug out there. So if you became addicted then yes it would affect them.
However, alcohol is up there in addictive properties along with cocaine and such. So just because one drug isn't quite as addictive as another it's ok? Even tho it can cause just as bad or worse health problems and endanger others (drunk driving)
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:43 am to chattabama
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Increase sentences for hard drug dealers. Increase border patrol.
Your solution will increase the price of drugs and lead to more crime in order to obtain them.
Do you want less crime or fewer drug users?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Would you support a ban on alcohol?
I've already asked a couple times. Looks like he's not answering that one
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:45 am to chattabama
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Increase sentences for hard drug dealers. Increase border patrol.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Absolutely and could do not mean the same thing.
It would absolutely impact at least one person on my list. Even if nothing remarkable happened while I used, my child's quality of life would suffer with having an inattentive parent addicted to a substance. You don't really think an addict can meet all of a child's physical, mental, social, and emotional needs, do you?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:47 am to chattabama
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Increase sentences for hard drug dealers. Increase border patrol.
Your solution only addresses one side of the equation, hasn't worked in real life, and increases crime.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:47 am
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:47 am to jg8623
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I've already asked a couple times. Looks like he's not answering that one
Yeah. Society has created this bias against "drugs" but the rationality behind it is lacking.
I wouldn't use heroin unless I was dying, then my arms would have more track marks than the Indy 500. But I believe our current drug laws are far more damaging than allowing people to use.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:47 am to jg8623
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I've already asked a couple times. Looks like he's not answering that one
Look up.
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It is, however, entirely possible to partake in alcohol for a lifetime without being addicted. Several people have a glass of wine with dinner or a drink with friends without it impacting their lives. The addictive nature of heroin makes it impossible to do this.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:48 am to chattabama
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It would absolutely impact at least one person on my list. Even if nothing remarkable happened while I used, my child's quality of life would suffer with having an inattentive parent addicted to a substance. You don't really think an addict can meet all of a child's physical, mental, social, and emotional needs, do you?
You didn't state you would be an addict. You just said if you tried heroin
Sure, and addict of ANY drug will cause harm for others. Not something new
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:49 am to chattabama
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It would absolutely impact at least one person on my list. Even if nothing remarkable happened while I used, my child's quality of life would suffer with having an inattentive parent addicted to a substance. You don't really think an addict can meet all of a child's physical, mental, social, and emotional needs, do you?
Millions of people have used opiates at some point in their life and not damaged themselves or anyone else.
In fact, you know people who use opiates, and just don't know it.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:49 am to chattabama
So you'd support a limit on how much someone can drink in one sitting? Over a 24 hour period? Should bars and restaurants cap drinks at 2 per person?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:50 am to jg8623
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You didn't state you would be an addict. You just said if you tried heroin
I don't think it is possible to be a casual user of heroin.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:50 am to chattabama
100% of first time users are addicts?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:51 am to chattabama
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I don't think it is possible to be a casual user of heroin.
It's safe to say that you are wrong.
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