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re: Job letting me go if I don't get vaccinated.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:54 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:54 pm to CrimsonFever
quote:Which businesses get to do that?
Do you not think its a business's right to run their business how they want?
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:55 pm to GumboPot
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On an optimistic note there are currently 9 states that have plans to pass or passed legislation and/or executive orders prohibiting employer forced vaccinations.
Article VI, Paragraph 2
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:56 pm to GumboPot
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On an optimistic note there are currently 9 states that have plans to pass or passed legislation and/or executive orders prohibiting employer forced vaccinations.
So here's a good question- when did it become unpopular to allow businesses to be run at the employer discretion? The whole idea of the free market place is to allow employers to set their own rules as to who to hire, and for employees to choose to work where they want, at will.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:56 pm to AbitaFan08
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If it’s a private company and you believe in capitalism, you should have no problem with their new policy.
What part of the world we live in is a free market?
Do you get to tell the health department to frick off?
And if you do...when they shut down your vendors because you take a stand as a business owner... What free association do you have to continue doing magical fairytale capitalist business without government interference?
When you get extra inspections, get flagged for annual government audits "randomly" for not doing what they want... Is that a free market decision?
This is the unseen side of economics. This is why the "private company" argument falls apart. Government is so big and intrusive, and such a live/die deciding factor for business owners that business will pre-comply with government hints like CDC guidelines etc to save their own arse.
The government at every level is a mafia enforcer with a bat that just said "nice place, would be a shame if anything... Happened to it"
Then on television they tell you you're free and they're a human rights organization.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So here's a good question- when did it become unpopular to allow businesses to be run at the employer discretion? The whole idea of the free market place is to allow employers to set their own rules as to who to hire, and for employees to choose to work where they want, at will.
About the time conservatives figured out that the marketplace of ideas is generally aligned and devoted to one set of ideas and waging war on their families
Listen, I love liberalism. But it's not working against tyrants. I'm not sure I classify Delta making employees pay for the increased cost of testing as tyranny, but I think this is the realization/attitude that is causing the shift away from "businesses should be free to make whatever choices they want, get another job, shop somewhere else, etc."
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So here's a good question- when did it become unpopular to allow businesses to be run at the employer discretion?
Like 150 years ago
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:59 pm to CrimsonFever
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Do you not think its a business's right to run their business how they want?
Oh hell yeah, I want to start “Murders ‘r Us”, where he hit people for the highest bidder. Hopefully you’ll respect my right to run my business how I want.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 8:59 pm to Obtuse1
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Article VI, Paragraph 2
But there is no federal law mandating vaccines. There is just an executive push right now.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So here's a good question- when did it become unpopular to allow businesses to be run at the employer discretion? The whole idea of the free market place is to allow employers to set their own rules as to who to hire, and for employees to choose to work where they want, at will.
When the Covidians started encroaching on people's freedoms.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:01 pm to Pettifogger
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Listen, I love liberalism. But it's not working against tyrants. I'm not sure I classify Delta making employees pay for the increased cost of testing as tyranny, but I think this is the realization/attitude that is causing the shift away from "businesses should be free to make whatever choices they want, get another job, shop somewhere else, etc."
To me it seems this leads straight to your local union hall arguing for better employee rights. Considering the fight against unions for the last couple of decades that is more than a little interesting.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:01 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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What part of the world we live in is a free market?
Do you get to tell the health department to frick off?
And if you do...when they shut down your vendors because you take a stand as a business owner... What free association do you have to continue doing magical fairytale capitalist business without government interference?
When you get extra inspections, get flagged for annual government audits "randomly" for not doing what they want... Is that a free market decision?
This is the unseen side of economics. This is why the "private company" argument falls apart. Government is so big and intrusive, and such a live/die deciding factor for business owners that business will pre-comply with government hints like CDC guidelines etc to save their own arse.
The government at every level is a mafia enforcer with a bat that just said "nice place, would be a shame if anything... Happened to it"
Then on television they tell you you're free and they're a human rights organization.
Good God this 100% right.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:02 pm to GumboPot
Someone needs to start an un vaccinated only company 
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So here's a good question- when did it become unpopular to allow businesses to be run at the employer discretion? The whole idea of the free market place is to allow employers to set their own rules as to who to hire, and for employees to choose to work where they want, at will.
You see, what had happened is those businesses used to put me as the top priority. Now I’m pretty in favor of government dictating what the market can do to avoid becoming Chiba.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:04 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
It’s amazing that people don’t realize these employer mandates are about preventing disruption in their business from off days because of Covid infections and quarantines. They’re not carrying out Biden’s agenda. They’re not virtue signaling. They’re simply protecting their bottom line.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:04 pm to CrimsonFever
Who gave you that bullshite number?
If that were true he'd immunity is met no need to worry about this shite.
Your numbers would mean 200,000,000 plus Americans have got jabbed
Much like the presidential election you might want a recount
If that were true he'd immunity is met no need to worry about this shite.
Your numbers would mean 200,000,000 plus Americans have got jabbed
Much like the presidential election you might want a recount
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:07 pm to NoSaint
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Now I’m pretty in favor of government dictating what the market can do to avoid becoming Chiba
So let's avoid becoming China by collectivizing and giving the power back to the people and out of the hands of those evil corporations?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:07 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
quote:Well...bye.
Job letting me go if I don't get vaccinated.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:09 pm to NYNolaguy1
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To me it seems this leads straight to your local union hall arguing for better employee rights. Considering the fight against unions for the last couple of decades that is more than a little interesting.
At a macro level, yeah
I would argue that unions fell out of public popularity, especially among conservatives and traditionalists, because those contingents viewed business as generally fair under existing labor laws, etc. Basically - if you want to nit pick, go find a new job (or raise hell and get fired if you prefer). I'm not sure unions in a natural form were ever completely out of favor with the public, but grassroots employee movements becoming institutionalized - complete with needless government agency - isn't that. And of course, it became dumbed down such that "union" was just an ugly word with a negative connotation and nobody cared about the nuance.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:12 pm to The Spleen
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It’s amazing that people don’t realize these employer mandates are about preventing disruption in their business from off days because of Covid infections and quarantines. They’re not carrying out Biden’s agenda. They’re not virtue signaling. They’re simply protecting their bottom line.
BS. That's what people have sick days or PTO for. It's already built into the cost of employment as part of the employees' benefits.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:13 pm to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
Losing your job for something that basically amounts to a small pinch to your arm isn't that smart opinion, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion
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