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re: I've been reading up on the Napoleonic Wars as of late...
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:07 am to lowspark12
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:07 am to lowspark12
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Napoleon himself only faced the British at Waterloo... Napoleon had very little direct involvement in the peninsular war
The "Oversimplified" YouTube channel called the Peninsular War "Napoleon's Vietnam". They didn't go much in depth and I've never spent much time on it, but it does compare. The French got bogged down in the Spanish countryside trying to fight off guerilla attacks from every direction from multiple factions for years.
It was the first sign of cracks in Napoleon's armor.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:10 am to Shiftyplus1
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Since 1945
Mutually assured destruction
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:12 am to RollTide1987
Thanks again Roll Tide. Although I do enjoy your war threads, these fatality numbers are hard to take. Incredible and horrific stats back then. Hand to hand, in your face deaths.
I do, still appreciate your posts.
I do, still appreciate your posts.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:31 am to La Place Mike
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Excellent read. For those of you that like historical fiction the Sharpe's Rifle series by Bernard Cornwell are very good.
Agreed... it’s great.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:02 pm to lowspark12
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Napoleon himself only faced the British at Waterloo..
And he was aged, tired, sick and strategically out-maneuvered when he did face them. On the other hand, the British soldiers and Welly were superb on that day.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:10 pm to IAmNERD
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I find it interesting and pretty ironic that the best tactic other armies came up with to deal with Napoleon's Lightning movements was to just turn and run. In turn, it stretched the French supply lines beyond their capabilities. That is when they even used supply lines as Napoleon used foraging to his advantage for his smaller "corps".
The Russians turned to a scorched earth policy to deal with this and still ran all the way to Moscow before turning to face Napoleon...and still lost the city.
Pretty incredible.
Other factors were important, too, but lengthy supply lines did and does cause an army to lose its sharp edge.
Attrition wears down armies, leaders, equipment, horses and men. Nappy's health in 1805 was fine, but, 10 years later, it his health was bad enough to affect things.
Also, Nappy's system of command and control lost its effectiveness as the decade of 1805 to 1815 progressed. He tried to make all of the decisions himself. When a campaign gets too big, this is impossible.
Nappy's underlings were often not talented enough to make the right moves, and this hurt Nappy's aims. Nappy lost a talented "chief assistant" named Berthier, and this loss caused command and control problems and fatal mistakes.
But it is a key point to remember that's related to what you say - yes, Nappy's enemies DID adopt and copy from the 1805 French Army practices. The Allies adopted the Corps system and refined it to more closely resemble the French practice. The Allies also tried to train the individual battalions to be able to move on the battlefield in proper compact "assault column" formations, and to quickly stop to deploy into Line or Square formation upon command, and then back into assault column and moving forward.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:25 pm to RollTide1987
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I've been reading up on the Napoleonic Wars as of late
Dr Rick would like to talk with you
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:02 pm to RollTide1987
A higher American emphasis on the individual translates to a lower tolerance for death. Has always been the case.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 2:19 pm to La Place Mike
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It's a good thing the American Revolution was before Wellesley hit his prime, because if he had been here we would all be speaking British.
They wouldn’t have wasted Wellesley on the colonies. Also, the British beat the Colonials in almost every single battle. The problem was that it was impossible to actually vanquish the revolution, and it was impractical to go on fighting forever. I doubt that great generalship would have changed any of that.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:26 pm to RollTide1987
quote:yeah but they are on the metric system. Once you convert to SAE that number drops significantly.
saw between 127,000 and 155,000 men
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:30 pm to Shiftyplus1
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Thats why what the US did for Europe after ww2 was so special. That continent had been going through countless cycles of horrible war for centuries. Finally after ww2, we helped all the nations out financially, basically became their military, and ushered in an era of peace and economic growth the likes of which those countries had never seen. Of course they will never admit that, and they hate us for it, but Pax Americana is very real. Since 1945, the world has been progressing faster and further than it ever had.
Thank God we saved the world and defeated the bad guys. Now everyone can let their kids watch tv that tells them theyre the wrong gender and to hate Jesus
I’d post more about this but I have to bake another 47 gay wedding cakes today or the government will shut down my bakery
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:30 pm to Champagne
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And he was aged, tired, sick and strategically out-maneuvered when he did face them.
I think it was mentioned in one of the hardcore history episodes, but they mentioned that Napoleons doctor had given him some opium the night before the battle to help with whatever illness he was dealing with and that he’s was probably not 100 percent that morning and probably in a mental fog due to the opium
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:31 pm to Champagne
quote:it didn’t help tallyrand betrayed him
And he was aged, tired, sick and strategically out-maneuvered when he did face them. On the other hand, the British soldiers and Welly were superb on that day
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:32 pm to RollTide1987
"Up, Guards and at them!" Wellington at Waterloo. Hence the phrase "up and at 'em."
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
At least he made it to Moscow unlike Hitler I guess.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:38 pm to RollTide1987
War in revolutionary France was just an entirely different beast. The war in the Vendee makes Sherman look like a humanitarian by comparison
Posted on 6/20/21 at 3:55 pm to fr33manator
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It's not the size of the formation, it's the technique you use to advance your formation and penetrate the enemy's defenses.
As true in love as in warfare.

Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:20 pm to RollTide1987
A lot of badass European bloodlines got snuffed out during this time
Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:37 pm to fr33manator
Keep in mind it wasn't just the British that were responsible for the victory at waterloo.
" The first is that it was a “British” victory by “British” soldiers. This myth sprang up in the later 19th century in overblown Victorian history books (especially those written for children). Victorians were good at this, and if they had been more analytical and balanced in writing their histories, I’d be out of a job, Buzzkillers.
Nearly three-quarters of Wellington’s force were continental European soldiers. They were Hannoverians, Saxons, Dutch, Belgians, not to mention the Prussian army under General Blucher that tipped the balance in favor of allied forces just in time. Taken in total, British soldiers made up about 15% of the total victorious force."
The British military have a knack for taking credit for things that they weren't necessarily responsible for. You see it time in time again in their history books.
" The first is that it was a “British” victory by “British” soldiers. This myth sprang up in the later 19th century in overblown Victorian history books (especially those written for children). Victorians were good at this, and if they had been more analytical and balanced in writing their histories, I’d be out of a job, Buzzkillers.
Nearly three-quarters of Wellington’s force were continental European soldiers. They were Hannoverians, Saxons, Dutch, Belgians, not to mention the Prussian army under General Blucher that tipped the balance in favor of allied forces just in time. Taken in total, British soldiers made up about 15% of the total victorious force."
The British military have a knack for taking credit for things that they weren't necessarily responsible for. You see it time in time again in their history books.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:42 pm to RollTide1987
I’ve been on a kick lately trying to pull up documentaries from Napoleonic Wars through the Cold War. So much of what has shaped the world we live in progressed through that time, beginning with Germany becoming the new Superpower in Europe in the mid to late 1800s.
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