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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:46 am to DixonCider
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:46 am to DixonCider
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Rockets launched from Lebanon and the IDF responded with artillery
Before Hezbollah took control of Lebanon it was the Dubai of the Eastern Mediterranean.
The Christian/Secular Lebanon was thriving.
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:46 am to teke184
“peace” has turned into a buzzword for the intellectually dishonest
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:48 am to klrstix
You serious Clark?
You watch thousands of your countrymen being slaughtered by a terrorist group hiding out just over your border and you think this is about vengeance?
It’s more about “never again.” As in “ensure there is no way Hamas can repeat this.”
You watch thousands of your countrymen being slaughtered by a terrorist group hiding out just over your border and you think this is about vengeance?
It’s more about “never again.” As in “ensure there is no way Hamas can repeat this.”
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
It's amazing how many people simply can't grasp the fact that extremists like Hezbollah, Hamas, ISIS, and the rest DO NOT WANT PEACE.
They want to kill everyone who isn't like them, that includes all of the idiots in America that constantly simp for them.
They want to kill everyone who isn't like them, that includes all of the idiots in America that constantly simp for them.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:49 am to Hateradedrink
mario nawful
Sky News reports “Pentagon official: American special forces arrived in Israel specialized in hostage-free operations. We do not rule out carrying out a special operation to liberate our citizens in Gaza“
Sky News reports “Pentagon official: American special forces arrived in Israel specialized in hostage-free operations. We do not rule out carrying out a special operation to liberate our citizens in Gaza“
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:50 am to MrLSU
I don’t see that ending well.
It’s a dense metropolis in a foreign war zone. They are likely to get shot at by both sides when they show up somewhere that turns hot.
It’s a dense metropolis in a foreign war zone. They are likely to get shot at by both sides when they show up somewhere that turns hot.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:51 am to dinosaur
I've seen my fair share of carnage. Nothing breaks my heart like seeing children suffer. Sadly, no matter where I've been, there's always dead and orphaned children...that's a reality of war. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any other answer. I hope Israel (of which I'm no fan) turns Gaza, Lebanon, and most of Syria into parking lots. Egypt better play nice, or they'll lose everything to the Suez. I hope nothing lives...so that there's no one to eventually seek revenge. I like the Iranian people that I've been around over the years...their government is not a representation of the overall population. That being said, I hope Iran oversteps so there's an excuse to finally pay those sons of bitches back for every fricking IED and weapon that killed and maimed my brothers. "Peace in our time"
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:52 am to salty1
Egypt is likely staying out of this.
They don’t want the Palestinians and they are aligned with the Saudis, who are likely to resume peace talks with Israel once this is done.
They don’t want the Palestinians and they are aligned with the Saudis, who are likely to resume peace talks with Israel once this is done.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:56 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Before Hezbollah took control of Lebanon it was the Dubai of the Eastern Mediterranean.
Beirut was nicknamed the "Paris of the Middle East."
Then again, Kabul was once secular and pretty awesome.
Would be super cool if either or both ever went back to that.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:58 am to teke184
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It’s a dense metropolis in a foreign war zone. They are likely to get shot at by both sides when they show up somewhere that turns hot.
CIA has already paid off Palestinian guides and informed the IDF of where to cease operations.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:59 am to texag7
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Muslims over there have the IQ of warm mud
People out there supporting terrorism and savagery through their insanely misguided "protests" have the IQ of less than warm mud.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:59 am to teke184
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You serious Clark?
You may want to reread my comment.. never used the word vengeance..
and the "never again" rhetoric is great but unattainable with the world chirping "restraint" under the circumstances..
IMO.. you throw the rhetoric of "restraint" back into the worlds face by making the world responsible for Hama's actions against your people due to the support and comfort given without any accountability for their actions. And you do that in a very public way to get them to shut up about exercising restraint..
Israel needs to root out the Hamas and Hezbollah influence in their region but Hamas and Hezbollah are proxies of other nations... That discussion is a much more complex issue to address..
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:03 am to fightin tigers
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World opinion always pushes Israel to quit. If not they would have eradicated Palestinians a long time ago.
There's realpolitik blowback too if you go slaughtering a people.
And Israel has overreacted to small potatoes rocket launches from Gaza.
They get to overreact bigly to what happened here. Sucks for the people of Gaza just stuck there (though, Israel seems to be working on safezones to allow civilians a way out) but that evil by Hamas requires a staggering response.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:06 am to Burt Orangello
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Would be super cool if either or both ever went back to that.
Iran is such a cool country naturally speaking. I wish they'd get their shite together. Would love to visit.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:08 am to salty1
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I've seen my fair share of carnage. Nothing breaks my heart like seeing children suffer. Sadly, no matter where I've been, there's always dead and orphaned children...that's a reality of war. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any other answer. I hope Israel (of which I'm no fan) turns Gaza, Lebanon, and most of Syria into parking lots. Egypt better play nice, or they'll lose everything to the Suez. I hope nothing lives...so that there's no one to eventually seek revenge. I like the Iranian people that I've been around over the years...their government is not a representation of the overall population. That being said, I hope Iran oversteps so there's an excuse to finally pay those sons of bitches back for every fricking IED and weapon that killed and maimed my brothers. "Peace in our time"
Funny to see another Jarhead basically echo what I have been saying. First I am no fan of the IDF nor the Mossad but they are generally damn good at their jobs (the first tier troops I worked with). Secondly that in the coming months, yes months because that is what it will take of the IDF doesn’t want to waste battalion sized units in MOUNT, we will be plastered with pictures of dead Palestinian women and children. It will be true unfortunately but also will be heightened in the media as propaganda. We need the weak willed segment of our society to understand this is an unfortunate byproduct of actions of Hamas & political leadership. It is war and it will happen and we need to harden against it if they are going to root out this cancer!
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:08 am to teke184
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“Pentagon official: American special forces arrived in Israel specialized in hostage-free operations. We do not rule out carrying out a special operation to liberate our citizens in Gaza“
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I don’t see that ending well.
It’s a dense metropolis in a foreign war zone. They are likely to get shot at by both sides when they show up somewhere that turns hot.
I mentioned pages ago, when the hostages were first taken and people were responding with "just rescue them", why rescue/recovery is unlikely.
While not impossible, the probability is very low and the risk is astronomically high.
There's a reason there have been hostages held in the Strip for years without rescue. Even with Israel's (and others') capabilities, there they sit.
People simultaneously ...
... vastly underestimate the capabilities/resources that can be brought to bear
... overestimate the ability to pull it off
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:12 am to teke184
quote:
I don’t see that ending well.
It’s a dense metropolis in a foreign war zone. They are likely to get shot at by both sides when they show up somewhere that turns hot.
Drones can make the f=difference in success or failure. I would think we can use them to our advantage for this type of operation.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:14 am to dinosaur
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Can you imagine the reaction if some politician asked for "restraint" the day after Pearl Harbor? The day after 9/11? They have a right to strike back and they should respond strongly enough that Hamas is crushed and those who support them are punished.
I don’t disagree with hitting back necessarily, but 20 years after 9/11 we accomplished basically nothing hitting back in Afghanistan.
Israel is a civilized nation and can’t really kill off Hamas - permanently. There are countless replacements outside the borders of Gaza, and something else will take the place of Hamas in this conflict.
If this really is a play by Hamas/Iran/PA to scuttle a bilateral Saudi/Israel agreement, tell Saudi it’s time to make a deal or we start blasting Gaza like no one has seen before.
I just don’t think Israel’s security will be better in 10 years if they commence a full throated invasion of Gaza now. Normalization with Saudi today may make for a safer Israel in 10 years.
But I am admittedly weak in the knees when thinking of how many regular folks die in Gaza if Israel does now what should be done to Hamas. Just an awful situation.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:15 am to ned nederlander
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I don’t disagree with hitting back necessarily, but 20 years after 9/11 we accomplished basically nothing hitting back in Afghanistan.
That could have been finished within a month.
The powers that be wanted some long drawn out war
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:16 am to Burt Orangello
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I mentioned pages ago, when the hostages were first taken and people were responding with "just rescue them", why rescue/recovery is unlikely. While not impossible, the probability is very low and the risk is astronomically high. There's a reason there have been hostages held in the Strip for years without rescue. Even with Israel's (and others') capabilities, there they sit. People simultaneously ... ... vastly underestimate the capabilities/resources that can be brought to bear ... overestimate the ability to pull it off
What people don’t comprehend the decision matrix includes what happens if the worse case scenario occurs. There is absolutely no way they would send in tier one assets unless it was basically 100% certain that they would not take casualties or be captured.
Edit to add a “not”
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 11:27 am
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