re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

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The US embassy is the source of terrorism in the region, it must be closed

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Ashab Al-Kahaf

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Oh the irony.

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I hope everyone knows where these mortars came from.

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I’m very concerned about where the Hamas small arms originated. Every picture of every Middle Eastern insurgent jihadist I ever saw before October 7th had him armed with the ever ubiquitous Kalashnikov AK-47 whether made in Russia, China, or elsewhere. On October 7th and since then, all I see are Hamas fighters armed with Western (American) modern variants of the M-16. It should not be difficult to find out where they came from. Where? When? How? Are they from Afghanistan via Iran? What’s the deal?

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I’m very concerned about where the Hamas small arms originated. Every picture of every Middle Eastern insurgent jihadist I ever saw before October 7th had him armed with the ever ubiquitous Kalashnikov AK-47 whether made in Russia, China, or elsewhere. On October 7th and since then, all I see are Hamas fighters armed with Western (American) modern variants of the M-16. It should not be difficult to find out where they came from. Where? When? How? Are they from Afghanistan via Iran? What’s the deal?

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Totally agree, on October 7th I saw several videos where Hamas fighter had M4s and they were parading with them in Gaza. I bet they are from Afghanistan but would not be surprised if they may have come through Ukraine. Hope the IDF was able to collect some and give us the serial numbers to be traced…..but bet it will never be released as long as Biden is in office since that don’t ever hold anyone accountable.

In regards to the 81mm mortars. That is a NATO caliber (Soviet Bloc uses 82mm) so only our allies have that round. More than likely they came from Afghanistan. Wonder who trained them because running a Whiz Board or MBC is not something any Tom, Dick or Harry can do.

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I’m very concerned about where the Hamas small arms originated. Every picture of every Middle Eastern insurgent jihadist I ever saw before October 7th had him armed with the ever ubiquitous Kalashnikov AK-47 whether made in Russia, China, or elsewhere. On October 7th and since then, all I see are Hamas fighters armed with Western (American) modern variants of the M-16. It should not be difficult to find out where they came from. Where? When? How? Are they from Afghanistan via Iran? What’s the deal?

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In this case, they (meaning the 81’s, M4’s, etc.) are more than likely from Iraq and / or Syria from 1 of 2 sources:

1) Materiel seized by the Islamic State, centralized to Syria for retrofit and redistribution, then recaptured by the Syrian military and / or their proxies like Hezb’allah during the subsequent years. There were huge piles of American weapons and equipment all the way up to MRAP’s seized by IS from northern and western Iraq in 2014 and 2015. Those sources - the SAA or HB , not ISIS - then distro’d it to Hamas who used it on 10/7 (remember the pervasive reporting about Hamas training in Syria and Lebanon for the initial op).

2) The extensive partnership required between the Iraqi Army and Shi’a militias in Iraq (like the Promised Day Brigades and these other pissants currently popping firecrackers at us) between 2016 and 2018 that was required to reconquer the country resulted in a complete sieve bordering on nonexistent boundary of equipment control, much of which we’d left to them in 2011, anyway. Many of those Iraqi militias are largely funded and / or controlled by the IRGC.

The Talibs are somewhat frenemies with the ayatollahs, and there is often times no love lost between the two. I have a relatively hard time envisioning them letting modern hardware flow west for any price, especially stuff like the 81’s. It’s too valuable to them.

I could definitely be wrong but that’s my sense knowing both those conflicts pretty well and one very intimately.

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I truly believe the acronym floating is some kind of flex.

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You come up with that over the use of SSGN when it was already clear it was sub? If a former or current military baw wants to acronym flex on you they can talk for 20 minutes and you will only get 10% of it.

can you post a copy of the policy statement sourced direct from the Israeli govt. not the Pollywood organization.

it would be useful

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they use disproportionate reprisal attacks on the civilian population to discourage further attacks on Israel itself.

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Against a terror organization that is known for using their own civilians as human shields?

Seems likely.

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Israel will provide indisputable evidence that they struck legitimate military targets and went well beyond their obligation to protect civilians, and the media may scroll it across the bottom of the screen.

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Well, this isn't great. Per NYT.

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It is not clear how effective Israel’s campaign against Hamas has been. One senior U.S. defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details, said the operations so far have not come close to destroying Hamas’s senior and middle leadership ranks. Other U.S. officials said Hamas is not analogous to Al Qaeda or the Islamic State, and has a far deeper bench of experienced midlevel military leaders, making it hard to assess the impact of killing any individual commander.

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LINK

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Israel kills civilians as a matter of policy, they use disproportionate reprisal attacks on the civilian population to discourage further attacks on Israel itself.

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You think Hamas gives a shite about civilians dying? They want Israel to kill lots of “civilians” because it helps their propaganda campaign worldwide.