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is traditional tip culture suffering due to tip everywhere ?

Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:38 pm
Was talking to a bartender today.

They said they are seeing a downturn in tips. He said he thinks people are exhausted by being asked to tip everywhere, and are fighting back by refusing to tip anywhere, including traditional places like the bar.

I still tip everywhere I used to, and dont where I never did.

What day the rest of you? Are you stiffing restaurant servers and bartenders because everyone else wants a tip?
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19876 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:40 pm to
Yes. It’s easier to hold back tips once you get over the social stigma of doing so.

I used to feel bad clicking “no tip” on transactions even when they didn’t deserve one. We’re just programmed to think of food and drink service being associated with tipping.

But once I got over that, it’s easy not to tip. It’s easy to tip what I think a service is worth rather than a generic percentage.
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
2236 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:44 pm to
I'm a part-time rideshare driver...been doing it about 1.5 years now. When I first started, tips were plentiful. You have a great convo with someone, or you gave them their space if they wanted it, and you received a tip the majority of the time.

Nowadays, I'm barely getting any tips, despite my service being the same.

I think it's a combination of two things: tip fatigue for sure, but I think the larger issue is with inflation and the current state of the economy, a lot of people aren't in the financial position to be throwing money around anymore.

Even when I Uber as a rider, I want to tip because I know how much it means to me when people tip, but I am feeling the squeeze myself and tipping less than I would want to in a perfect world.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
16936 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

Even when I Uber, I want to tip because I know how much it means to me when people tip, but I am feeling the squeeze myself and tipping less than I would want to in a perfect world.

At least the Uber driver can’t spit in your food.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:48 pm to
People are certainly hurting right now. I think it's also a sign of declining trust though. With the demographic changes in the US our social rules are just breaking down.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:49 pm to
I’d guess it’s due more to inflation.

Sticker shock every time you see the check.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
75179 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:50 pm to
I never used to check if I was tipping 20% on tax, now I do the math, and my base tip is 15% not 20%. Service industry pushed too hard, consequences suck.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6053 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Nowadays, I'm barely getting any tips, despite my service being the same.


Part of your larger point, rideshare in general has become dramatically more expensive (actually market price).

Uber/Lyft started off wildly undercutting the taxi market so people were getting an amazing deal on a ride. Tipping was a no-brainer. Now those rides are expensive as shite and are perceived as overpriced, so people just aren't tipping on that.
Posted by scott8811
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
12449 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:53 pm to
Honestly...makes sense. It was only recently and after seeing a huge anti tip movement that I stopped tipping at stupid places like coffee shops and while picking up to go orders
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
137832 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:53 pm to
I find that my tipping habits vary greatly between being asked for the tip before I receive the service or being asked for the tip after I receive the service.

I have really gotten with the more recent tipping philosophy that if I have to stand up to put in my order that the tip is severely reduced.
This post was edited on 9/8/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
75179 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:54 pm to
For rideshare, yep they cared about market cap but eventually the investors wanted to make money. When I'm traveling on my own dime, I now check out actual cabbies again, as it's cheaper and more consistent.
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
2236 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

rideshare in general has become dramatically more expensive (actually market price).


Yep. Riders are paying more, drivers are actually getting less, and uber/lyft/shareholders are making more.

It's a really screwed up situation which is a breeding ground for resentment for both drivers and riders.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
11047 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:03 pm to
I just do what I’ve always done. Ringing me up in a straight retail transaction doesn’t warrant a tip.

Retailers are driving this in an effort to hold down wages. If they can get the buying public to tip more, they will be able to get away with paying less.
Posted by LsuNav
Sacramento
Member since Mar 2008
1644 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:09 pm to
I tip everywhere in the 15 to 22.5% percent range. When I was at LSU I heard the certain people didn’t tip well. I never wanted to contribute to the stereotype. I have always been conflicted on tipping maid service in hotels. I will say that the amount of places asking for tips has gone up and a lot of places ask for charitable donations at checkout. It is too much.

In Walnut Creek, California they add a 22.5% surcharge to restaurant bills in lieu of tipping but still provide a space on the bill to tip more. That might be a better way to do it. Customers shouldn’t feel like they to tip.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
18769 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:11 pm to
I have now been to 3 different restaurants in BR that have a 20% gratuity added to the price because the workers there have said no one tips anymore.

So the servers would work a bunch of days of the week and busy times and weren’t taking home very much

What’s gonna happen is no one is gonna want to be a server at all before too long
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
8795 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:14 pm to
Sounds like he's suffering from serving assholes if they're not tipping the bartender, as long as he's a decent bartender
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
34653 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:28 pm to
It’s a combo of increased cost of services and tipping fatigue.

IMHO, we should go to the European model and not tip service workers. The price is the price and tipping non-existent. It’s great!

I tip Uber drivers and servers at a sit down restaurant. And I usually tip 20-25% if service is good. Sometimes more if it’s great. I don’t tip elsewhere unless it’s drinks at a bar or something like that.

I go to the same place for lunch once or twice a week. They know my name, know my order and are always super quick and helpful. While it is a stand-up to order place, I usually leave a 13-15% tip.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:50 pm to
A lot of service workers don't seem to understand that tips are compensation for the value of promptness, not the value of the labor itself.

If I tip you at the coffeeshop, and then you take 20 minutes to make my drink anyways, that leaves me with a pretty sour taste in my mouth. Like, what did I tip you for? It wasn't because my drink was so difficult to make, it was to motivate you to get off your arse and make it.





Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

European model


Horribly slow, but at least it is the same for everyone.
Posted by TexasForever81
Member since Mar 2023
551 posts
Posted on 9/8/24 at 4:58 pm to
That tip culture was aimed at me. I usually did it out of guilt. So it was successful for a while.

But, I stopped going out and we cook every meal at home now. It helps I work from home. But it has cost the people who truly work for tips.

But it’s saved me hundreds of dollars a month. Obviously not just from tipping, but by buying groceries and not being lazy.
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