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re: Is there a real fear of AI or are all of the larger companies scared of open source?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:48 am to Gravitiger
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:48 am to Gravitiger
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You are more plugged in than I am, but from what I've read, big law firms aren't building their own AI models. They're building bespoke agents using wrappers like Harvey that integrate OpenAI/Anthropic models with Westlaw/LexisNexis and their own internal data (and spending easily 6-7 figures a year on them).
You are absolutely right and what he said was retarded
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:51 am to PrimeTime Money
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if it decides to do what it wants, we’d be powerless to stop it.
Exactly. The "just unplug it" crowd sounds like infants.
Every single day that goes by we are more deeply integrating AI into our utilities distribution, financial system, healthcare system, weapon systems, food production a distribution and countless other systems critical to our civilized existence.
Will we just unplug civilization? We are making AI indispensable.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:56 am to _Hurricane_
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I don’t know y’all, but maybe we’re going to look back at this moment and realize the guys in the know might have actually been telling the truth,
I sure as frick have never seen an industry where all the leaders say their products are probably going to kill us all, and to dismiss it confidently as a novel strategy kinda seems arrogant when we have no clue what’s going on as mere observers.
I don't trust AI, nor do I trust AI companies. I don't think having the opinion that having AI integrated in every facet of our lives is a overall bad thing for society is going to be a hot take in 20 years.
With that said, I also understand how corporations work, and the frontline companies clearly want regulations now in order to limit competition. This is a pretty standard playbook.
I am always suspicious of people in power when they start trying to scare people. Its always for control.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:56 am to Tiger985
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Will we just unplug civilization?
If the other opinion is to all die, yeah I would think so
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Serious question, why wouldn’t we just unplug it? It needs electricity to run
Isn’t the danger of it “escaping” that it is no longer housed in the actual physical components of these companies but rather distributes itself across the internet and into the all computers that are connected?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:58 am to Tiger985
If all the models are relatively dumber and decentralized LLMs that are diffused across the developed world, I’m not sure how that matters. The world is already on computers, so if an evil frontier model “escapes”, why do we care that simple or narrow AIs have proliferated?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 10:59 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Will we just unplug civilization?
If the other opinion is to all die, yeah I would think so
They should name the kill option the Lindsay Clancy Protocol
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Isn’t the danger of it “escaping” that it is no longer housed in the actual physical components of these companies but rather distributes itself across the internet and into the all computers that are connected?
We are so far away from that though. The processing and computing is done and only capable at a finite amount of locations.
I suppose that could be possible at some point, but still seems so unlikely. For example, the US would do everything in their power to prevent china’s AI to penetrate ours and vice versa so you’d have to have so many things happen
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
I think it’ll all move to some form of flat fees or other alternative arrangements. And I suspect a lot of older lawyers would rather just close up shop than change their business model of over 30-50 years.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:13 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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We are so far away from that though. The processing and computing is done and only capable at a finite amount of locations.
We are far away from that, but if AI models get to be smarter than people, theoretically agents could figure out an alternative processing venue that people currently don’t think is feasible.
Logically, I think any AI-driven existential risk to humanity would not be a threat we are currently aware of. Less intelligent animals are not aware of all the means humans have to eliminate them. That would also apply to us with super intelligent AI, theoretically.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:17 am to Crowknowsbest
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We are far away from that, but if AI models get to be smarter than people, theoretically agents could figure out an alternative processing venue that people currently don’t think is feasible.
If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle is kind of my whole point though
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:21 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle is kind of my whole point though
I get it, but AI isn’t constrained by biology, unlike your figurative aunt.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:24 am to Crowknowsbest
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I get it, but AI isn’t constrained by biology, unlike your figurative aunt.
Yeah, it’s strained by the need for an energy source totally controlled by humans
My aunt can at least put on some jean shorts and have a fake deep voice and pretend to be my uncle
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:30 am to Mingo Was His NameO
There really needs to be a breakthrough via robotics to get more “general” about the physical world.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:30 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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it’s strained by the need for an energy source totally controlled by humans
Humans that can blackmailed or manipulated by a more intelligent agent, though.
I’m just playing devils advocate, for the record.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:32 am to Crowknowsbest
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Humans that can blackmailed or manipulated by a more intelligent agent, though.
Every single one of us?
I can frick up AI with a pair of shears
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:10 pm to Odysseus32
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It's superintelligent. It can't pull back and use context?
Who’s context?
It will be a super intelligent non-human entity. I’m not going to assume it’s interests will be aligned with ours. Why would it?
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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If it has a goal, it could achieve that goal by whatever means necessary. Its values may not align with our values if it goes rogue.
Of course, it may have values that are far more what we consider virtuous. If it's sentient, by definition that means it has senses and emotions. There are animals on this planet that have a different number of senses. How do we know what a sentient AI is going to feel? How do we know that it isn't going to have senses that we can't comprehend?
If the argument is that it's made in the image of man, much like Christians would say about us being created in the image of god, would it not perceive us as giver of life? Why would it destroy its giver of life? If your answer is we don't know its values, my retort is "exactly my point".
Obviously these are rhetorical questions, but my point is that the fear is based largely in ignorance and, to be frank, laziness. If AI can do whatever it wants and has its own values, there is no reason to think it wouldn't perceive us as God just as much as it would perceive us as a threat.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:43 pm to Odysseus32
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The retort is that we won't know the motivations of AI and they'd be different than humans. To which I would say, exactly. We have no idea what a sentient AI would want. It might literally be sunshine and rainbows.
I mean yeah, that’s the rub.
But most of the AI “doomers” don’t believe that AI is guaranteed to kill us all. They believe that the risk outweighs the reward.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume superintelligence represents a 50% chance of utopia and a 50% chance of extinction. Is that a worthwhile risk? What if the risk of extinction is only 10%? 5%? 1%?
The argument from most of the doomers is that when you account for the existential risk plus the less-than-existential risk (catastrophe that doesn’t rise to extinction level, consolidation of power, dystopia, etc.), the risks outweigh the upside.
The whole “sentience” fear is a red herring. It’s not something we would really be able to measure anyway. From what I’ve seen, sentience is pretty low on the list of fears for the actual AI doomers. It’s more about misalignment and unintended consequences.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 3:13 pm to Odysseus32
quote:So it's just as likely that AI would have ambivalent--potentially malicious--views about their creators, just like people do about God, their parents, etc.
Of course, it may have values that are far more what we consider virtuous. If it's sentient, by definition that means it has senses and emotions. There are animals on this planet that have a different number of senses. How do we know what a sentient AI is going to feel? How do we know that it isn't going to have senses that we can't comprehend?
If the argument is that it's made in the image of man, much like Christians would say about us being created in the image of god, would it not perceive us as giver of life? Why would it destroy its giver of life? If your answer is we don't know its values, my retort is "exactly my point".
Obviously these are rhetorical questions, but my point is that the fear is based largely in ignorance and, to be frank, laziness. If AI can do whatever it wants and has its own values, there is no reason to think it wouldn't perceive us as God just as much as it would perceive us as a threat.
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