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re: is it time to reduce the workday and work week in the US?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I would say those are pretty good hours
I'd also say that's why American children are falling further and further behind their international rivals who are in school all year with minimal breaks... but that's another story for another thread...
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:34 am to magildachunks
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is it time to reduce the workday and work week in the US?
We work more than any other 1st world country, and spend less time with our loved ones.
The answer is yes.
Our country has a happiness problem and I think a large part of that is our ridiculous work expectations.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:35 am to LCA131
My marriage is great. We work in the same industry so we understand what the other is going through.
Plus free booze helps.
Plus free booze helps.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:35 am to TH03
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I'd trade work hours with a teacher all day everyday. My industry works 6 days a week, closer to 7 during holidays and most of October through December. Work memorial day, labor day, July 4, Christmas Eve, and New year's Eve. Most days are 7-6 with paperwork to do when you get home. Add in driving time all day, which for me is 2.5-3 hours of just to and from my house, not counting in between accounts. There's no down season, no weeks off for holidays, no summer break, etc.
I'd do one of three things:
Eat a bullet
shite on the boss's desk
Or disappear for four years
A friend of mine jumped out of a high rise in Asia when we were working those hours. I quit the next day.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:36 am to magildachunks
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is it time to reduce the workday and work week in the US?
Sure.
This will just make hard workers more valuable, and probably more successful, and increase their earning potential. As long as you don't limit earning potential, or make people support lazy people, then reducing the government required work week is fine.
I don't get the "I could do my week's work in 8 hours" complaints, unless you literally are making x amount of widgets, and that's all the resources you have available to make each week. If you have the resources, why not make 9 widgets?
There's always something to do, always something to tweak, evaluate, change. Once you're done with 8 widgets, why not try to make 9 widgets and see what happens? Why not make it easier to make 8 widgets? Etc.
I'm all for work being flexible, and for people getting paid what they are worth. In any scenario, the person who works more should earn more, get more promotions, etc.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:36 am to X123F45
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My wife is a teacher. Leaves at 6, home for five. Works 1-2 hours a night at home. Makes 55k or so.
Works was away harder than I do.
Why? I know no short of 20 teachers and none work those hours. Most of them are smart and good teachers to my knowledge. There is no reason for your wife to be working those hours unless she's extremely inefficient.
Even if she is, she still gets what essentially comes out to about 10 weeks of PTO a year minimum.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:38 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I know no short of 20 teachers and none work those hours.
The odds of this being true are basically zero.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:38 am to TH03
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My marriage is great. We work in the same industry so we understand what the other is going through.
Plus free booze helps.
Why do you have to make everything about you? Mine was just a general statement.
The ego here is... monstrous.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:40 am to LNCHBOX
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The odds of this being true are basically zero.
You're right, I know them, hangout with them, and talk to them regularly, but you are the one that knows the hours they work, not me. They all do stuff outside the classroom, but none of them work 60 hours a week or work weekends.
I'm not saying being a teacher is an easy job, but for the workload and time off it's not a bad gig.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:40 am to X123F45
A lot of days suck, but every check I can see a direct correlation between how hard I worked the previous month and how much I made. It's all incentives and quasi-commission based so you can make as much as you want.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:43 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You're right, I know them, hangout with them, and talk to them regularly, but you are the one that knows the hours they work, not me.
Are they all preschool teachers? Because that's basically the only way that is true. Again, the odds aren't on your favor.
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They all do stuff outside the classroom, but none of them work 60 hours a week or work weekends.
Not sure where this magic 60 hour number came from, because I never claimed a certain number. Talk about a moving goalpost, huh Abita?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:46 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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There is no reason for your wife to be working those hours unless she's extremely inefficient.
Documentation. She is compiling tons of additional documentation that prove her instruction methods are better than what is required.
The goal is school board obviously.
But even without that, she's still working 55 hours a week.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:47 am to LNCHBOX
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Are they all preschool teachers? Because that's basically the only way that is true. Again, the odds aren't on your favor.
To pull a line from your playbook, where's your data? The teachers I know work around 8-8.5 at the school a day and maybe an hour a couple days a week on average. No weekends, holidays, summers. So they work for the most part no more than 45 hours a week with all of that time off. Again, for the pay and stress level doesn't seem like a bad gig to me.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:48 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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To pull a line from your playbook, where's your data? The teachers I know work around 8-8.5 at the school a day and maybe an hour a couple days a week on average. No weekends, holidays, summers. So they work for the most part no more than 45 hours a week with all of that time off. Again, for the pay and stress level doesn't seem like a bad gig to me.
Why don't you just answer the question instead of deflecting?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:48 am to magildachunks
I used to enjoy my yard. I'm self employed and have opened a second practice in the last year. It is dark when I leave and dark when I get home. Someone else does my yard and it's as nice.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:50 am to LNCHBOX
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Why don't you just answer the question instead of deflecting?
What are they preschool teachers? No. Elementary through high school. Kindergarten, 4th grade, 5th grade, 10th grade, among other specifically.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:50 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Why? I know no short of 20 teachers and none work those hours. Most of them are smart and good teachers to my knowledge. There is no reason for your wife to be working those hours unless she's extremely inefficient.
Maybe she's banging students
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:51 am to Oneforthemoney
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oneforthemoney
It's pretty funny that dumb oilfield workers use this picture considering Don Draper probably worked 30 hours in a week, half of those being sober.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:51 am to TH03
quote:Do you work in Sugarcane?
I'd trade work hours with a teacher all day everyday. My industry works 6 days a week, closer to 7 during holidays and most of October through December. Work memorial day, labor day, July 4, Christmas Eve, and New year's Eve. Most days are 7-6 with paperwork to do when you get home. Add in driving time all day, which for me is 2.5-3 hours of just to and from my house, not counting in between accounts. There's no down season, no weeks off for holidays, no summer break, etc.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:52 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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. Elementary through high school. Kindergarten, 4th grade, 5th grade, 10th grade, among other specifically.
Well, then I stand by my statement than there is almost zero chance you know 20 teachers and none of them put in a lot of hours outside of the classroom. You really going to stick with none, not even revise it to only a few, which would be much more believable?
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