re: Is Gen Z etc totally out of touch about salaries?

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It is funny that benefits don't matter when you are young and important when you get older.

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It's more that benefits only matter if your monthly cash flow is in the black.

That's why I chose the totally unlicensed discipline of appliance repair. Pay inline with plumber or even electrician.
No licenses really needed. I hold an EPA license but no one has ever asked for it.

Though also in 11 years only one person has ever asked to see my insurance certificate.

When you make that little money you are not concerned with retirement. You are just looking to pay the rent. Double that salary and you can start saying people are dumb for leaving benefits on the table for a few more dollars. Someone making that low money is looking at working the rest of their life and not retiring anytime soon.

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Are these people retarded?

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They/them is retarded.

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Hell the turnover now probably Hoovers around 25% a year and that includes salary and hourly.

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That sucks.

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another flawed viewpoint from these young dumbasses, at the beginning of your career you can't afford not to do those things, you start that discipline at the onset and get to your 50s and will be shocked at how much wealth you've accumulated, but no, got to have ...fill in the blanks ...now! young idiots don't no what "necessessities" really are

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I don’t know man. I’m usually in 100 percent agreement with this mindset. I paid off 93k in student loans in 2.5 years in 08-10.

31k before taxes isn’t doing a whole hell of a lot with what even basic shite is costing these days.

I see what our entry level employees are making and don’t even get how they’re paying these insane rates foe rent, much less the rest of their expenses. I’m not in some hip big city area either.

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These kids expect $25 hr+ to do menial tasks in an entry level warehouse position. I said what about the benefits? No care, it's all about their paycheck every 2 weeks.

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You are talking $30k a year vs $45k in your $15 vs $22

Medical benefits aren’t super exciting when you can’t afford to see a doctor even with them. An extra 3% match on the 401k on a 50% salary gap? They could take all three weeks unpaid and still be ahead bigly

Maybe they aren’t the ones out of touch with their lives today?

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Fact remains, in terms of housing, the biggest factor in wealth creation for Americans throughout our history, wages are at the weakest they have ever been, even weaker than the Great Depression

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Three things:

(1) Though it's probably inadvertent, your statement is misleading. It's based on median home price, but not the cost of equivalent homes. The 2022 median home you are pricing is 2500sqft with central heat, a/c, modern appliances, stone counters, etc. The avg depression era homes you're drawing comparison with were 1000sqft with none of the other luxuries.

(2) We're in a housing bubble. Buyers at these levels may have to wait a decade just to break even on the purchase price. Home purchase right now is not a "wealth creation" vehicle.

(3) Comparing wage-to-price ratios in a present-day housing bubble with similar ratios at points in time (like the depression) where home prices were depressed isn't particularly indicative of much.

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Telling someone to invest in a mobile home,

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No, I said buy and live in a mobile home while you save for a downpayment, sell the mobile home and you're better off than paying rent.


You know, like people used to do when housing was "affordable"

Lets go back to 1,000 sq foot home, trailers and tenements. Thats the age your talking about.

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Avoid college

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Good. Get them away from liberal professors who may turn them queer.