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re: Investigators When they KNEW Murdaugh lied (Page 112)
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:33 pm to Festus
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:33 pm to Festus
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just think they did a poor job of tying that all together. It was completely disjointed.
Yeppp and with the evidence they have they can't make their entire argument he's a conman so of course he'd murder.
Especially without a better linear argument
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:37 pm to Enzos Tiny Pito
Is it true he did not have a life insurance policy on his wife?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:37 pm to KosmoCramer
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No evidence they were estranged.
There is. You refuse to accept it, and I get it, you're dug in. They were living separately.
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And none of what you posted discussed the Financials which has been 2 full weeks of the state's case.
I don't even know what that means.
But I guess we'll see if I'm correct about their case in closing arguments.
But trust me, I know you'll acknowledge anything that doesn't fit your narrative so I'll not bring it up to you. That was obvious in your argument yesterday that it was the norm for defense counsel to encourage putting their clients on the stand to get their story out. Even when the state has produced no evidence.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:37 pm to SPEEDY
According to a poster here no life insurance.
I haven’t followed closely at all but I’m so confused as to why he killed his wife/child and these prosecutors angle.
I haven’t followed closely at all but I’m so confused as to why he killed his wife/child and these prosecutors angle.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:38 pm to SPEEDY
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s it true he did not have a life insurance policy on his wife?
Seems only he had one
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:38 pm to tiger91
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According to a poster here no life insurance.
Seems kinda odd that he doesn’t. I wonder if she ever had it
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:41 pm to Festus
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There is. You refuse to accept it, and I get it, you're dug in. They were living separately.
Gee, you don’t think the prosecution would have that brought that fact up at some point during this month long trial if it was true?

Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:45 pm to Festus
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There is. You refuse to accept it, and I get it, you're dug in. They were living separately.
There is no evidence presented at trial that they were estranged. Her sister said thet had a great relationship. Maggie was living at the beach house over the summer (Edisto). You're the one that seems to refuse to accept the facts in evidence. Unless I missed testimony about the alleged estrangement, please stop mischarterizing my position.
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I don't even know what that means.
It means that the state spent 2 weeks of trial talking about AM stealing money and financial crimes. I didn't see that in your narrative.
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But trust me, I know you'll acknowledge anything that doesn't fit your narrative so I'll not bring it up to you.
Huh?
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That was obvious in your argument yesterday that it was the norm for defense counsel to encourage putting their clients on the stand to get their story out. Even when the state has produced no evidence.
You're again misconstruing what I said.
I stated that the defense clearly feels that AM can withstand typical prosecutorial traps. Coupled with the fact that AM is going away for life, all he has left is to protect his reputation in the eyes of his son, family, and close friends.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:47 pm to KosmoCramer
So the state is done with their cross? 

Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:50 pm to SPEEDY
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So the state is done with their cross?
Yup.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 3:59 pm to tiger91
quote:Motive isn't required. Many a pill popping idiot out there commits serious crimes for reasons that don't add up.
I haven’t followed closely at all but I’m so confused as to why he killed his wife/child and these prosecutors angle.
In this case he lied about Maggie being at the house in the morning, and lied about being at the kennels at the time of the murders. I wish the prosecutors would have jumped on him when he tried to claim that he never tried to fabricate and alibi when he was on the stand.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:03 pm to mmcgrath
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Motive isn't required. Many a pill popping idiot out there commits serious crimes for reasons that don't add up.
Motive isn't required, but the state spent 2 weeks on it and what they came up with makes little sense.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:07 pm to mmcgrath
Do the lawyers here think prosecution did an adequate job? Any gut instincts on the jury’s thoughts on all this?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:13 pm to tiger91
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Any gut instincts on the jury’s thoughts on all this?
I've seen from a couple of people that are there that the jury was in tears during AM's direct testimony.
IMO, there is an 80% change of hung jury at this point.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:18 pm to bikerack
It comes down to this: is there an idiot or two on the jury that can’t clearly see this guy is a crafty serial liar that lied about being at the crime scene.
It’s all so obvious the tactics he used to try to cover his tracks: Keeping a bag of pills on him and letting the cops know it was in his pocket. Going to visit his Alzheimer’s mom to make it look like he wasn’t there. Using two guns to make it look like it was two different people. Calling them right after he shot them both to make it look like he was wondering what they were doing even though he’d seen them minutes before.
Maybe there is a sucker or two, but I’m not banking on it.
Guilty is my prediction.
It’s all so obvious the tactics he used to try to cover his tracks: Keeping a bag of pills on him and letting the cops know it was in his pocket. Going to visit his Alzheimer’s mom to make it look like he wasn’t there. Using two guns to make it look like it was two different people. Calling them right after he shot them both to make it look like he was wondering what they were doing even though he’d seen them minutes before.
Maybe there is a sucker or two, but I’m not banking on it.
Guilty is my prediction.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:26 pm to SPEEDY
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“And you want this jury to believe a story manufactured to fit the evidence that you brought forth just yesterday after hearing a trial’s worth of testimony?” Waters asked.
The prosecutor then showed body camera video of the first officer to respond to the shooting. With the bodies of his wife and son visible, Murdaugh said he hadn’t seen them for 45 minutes before he left his home.
Waters also pushed Murdaugh for more details about what happened during the kennel visit, noting that this was all new to investigators since he only admitted it in court Thursday.
The timing, including cellphone and car-tracking data, is a key component. The video ended just before 8:46 p.m. and both Paul and Maggie Murdaugh stopped using their cellphones about three minutes later.
Murdaugh couldn't remember how long he was at the kennels, whether he got blood on his hands pulling a dead chicken from a dog's mouth or the last words he would ever say to his son and his wife.
“There would have been some exchange,” Murdaugh said.
Waters said it appeared Murdaugh remembered a lot of specifics when the details were critical, but not when they might get him in trouble.
“You disagree with my characterization that you have a photographic memory about the details that have to fit now that you know these facts but you're fuzzy about the other stuff that complicates that?" Waters said.
For the first time, Murdaugh blamed anger on social media aimed at his son for the killings. Paul Murdaugh had been involved in a boat wreck that killed a teenager and was charged with boating under the influence. He mentioned the boat crash when the first investigators asked if he could think of any suspects.
Murdaugh said his son was the subject of vile “half-truths, half-reports, half-statements, partial information” online.
“I believe then and I believe today that the wrong person saw and read that because I can tell you for a fact the person or people who did what I saw on June the 7th — they hated Paul Murdaugh and they had anger in their heart,” Alex Murdaugh said.
Waters told Murdaugh that explanation defied logic, asking if Murdaugh was telling the jury that his wife and son were killed by random vigilantes who knew “they would be at the kennels alone on June 7, knew that you would not be there, but only between the times of 8:49 and 9:02.”
“You've got a lot of factors in there, Mr. Waters, all of which I do not agree with, but some of which I do,” Murdaugh said.
Murdaugh said Friday that after the brief kennel visit, he returned to the family's house about 1,150 feet away on a golf cart, lay down for a few minutes and then got up to get ready to visit his ailing mother about 9:02 p.m., a time verified by step data on his cellphone, which he didn't take to the kennels.
Waters asked Murdaugh if a flurry of steps and a series of unanswered phone calls he started making to his wife and son at 9:02 p.m., after no activity was detected on his phone for nearly an hour, was a way a lawyer and volunteer prosecutor could begin crafting a story to show he couldn’t be the killer.
“I never manufactured any alibi in any way shape or form because I did not and would not hurt my wife and my child.”
Prosecutors have said Murdaugh killed his wife and son to gain sympathy to buy time because his financial misdeeds were about to be discovered. During his testimony, he has admitted to stealing from clients.
Murdaugh is charged with about 100 other crimes, ranging from stealing from clients to tax evasion. He is being held without bail on those charges, so even if he is found not guilty of the killings, he will not walk out of court a free man. If convicted of most or all of those financial crimes, Murdaugh would likely spend decades in prison.
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:36 pm to Stidham8
How many required to convict?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:45 pm to tiger91
All criminal trials are unanimous verdicts.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:48 pm to WhereIsMyBestLife
They are going to convict him right?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 4:50 pm to cajunangelle
I hate to say it but I think the Prosecution may believe he is going to beat the murder rap so they spent all that time getting him to detail the financial crimes so they can use his testimony for those charges. It's admissible against him as far as I know.
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