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re: Interesting Article On Lack Of Black Medical Students
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:57 am to Broke
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:57 am to Broke
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Until people in their environment start putting real emphasis on school and success instead of "getting their rap career on" this will continue to be the trend. I think they want instant gratification in a world where hard word and tenacity is where real success comes from
Yeah, not really. You can emphasize education all you want to someone with a low IQ and they still won't become a doctor unless standards are lowered.
This is actually an evolution issue. Until the smarter black people start outbreeding the less intelligent ones, that population will continue to be of lower average intelligence than competing racial groups.
Physical characteristics were relatively more important than mental ability for survival in Africa, so descendants of Africans are in general relatively more physically gifted and less intelligent than Europeans.
That's not racism, that's evolution.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:10 pm to uway
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evolution
Clearly racist.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:10 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:No, but we spend too much money on policing petty weed dealers and building prisons when we could invest that money in to better vocational programs at the high school and JuCo level. That in itself would do a whole lot for society overall.
The war of drugs certainly needs to be looked at critically. The problem with substance addiction though is that it affects children of drug addicted parents. Legalizing crack ain't gonna change that fact.
quote:We are on the same page.
That said, we desperately need to place greater emphasis and value on skilled labor jobs and vocational training (plumbers, HVACs and Carpentry). In conjunction, we need to teach people how to start and maintain a business around their trade and we need to ease the governmental burdens associated with starting and running a business.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:13 pm to uway
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Yeah, not really. You can emphasize education all you want to someone with a low IQ and they still won't become a doctor unless standards are lowered.
This is actually an evolution issue. Until the smarter black people start outbreeding the less intelligent ones, that population will continue to be of lower average intelligence than competing racial groups.
Physical characteristics were relatively more important than mental ability for survival in Africa, so descendants of Africans are in general relatively more physically gifted and less intelligent than Europeans.
That's not racism, that's evolution.
So you don't think that slavery, segregation and other efforts to hold back the black race has anything to do with it at all?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:22 pm to MontyFranklyn
As far as slavery goes, I'd rather have a physically fit worker than a weak one with no endurance. I'm sure the African slave dealers would've sold the Americans Chinese people if that's what worked best. Hell, people are still enslaved all over the place, but nobody is complaining about that.
Segregation was just part of the natural process (just like women getting out of the house). It's just nature for people to need time to change.
As far as the past 75 or so years, idk what to tell you boss. That's nobody's fault but their own. Well,maybe everyone else helps because people get paid for doing nothing substantial.
It all starts with personal accountability. Don't have that, and no progress will be made. That's not anyone else's fault.
I'm still saying that the best way to change is firing all of the shitty teachers and separating the good students from the bad before eighth grade (preferably fifth).
Segregation was just part of the natural process (just like women getting out of the house). It's just nature for people to need time to change.
As far as the past 75 or so years, idk what to tell you boss. That's nobody's fault but their own. Well,maybe everyone else helps because people get paid for doing nothing substantial.
It all starts with personal accountability. Don't have that, and no progress will be made. That's not anyone else's fault.
I'm still saying that the best way to change is firing all of the shitty teachers and separating the good students from the bad before eighth grade (preferably fifth).
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:23 pm to DeltaDoc
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Researchers noted a significant drop-off immediately after a swimming test was implemented within the medical school acceptance criterion
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:25 pm to DeltaDoc
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To that end, I wish that the US would revamp the medical school process and allow bright kids to essentially start medical school out of high school.
Absolutely not a good idea. How many people make good grade in HS then get to college and perform let poorly? Way more than people think. How many "pre med" freshman are there? Way too many to all be applying to medical schools while in HS.
Biggest concern about future physician education is the continuing red tape and insurance cuts. The less desirable it is to be a physician the less frequent you will have the "should be a doctor" actually desire to do it.
This is a great example of how to separate people that want equality and those that "want equality." Most want equality in situations the group they support would benefit but shite is ok if their group already benefits. How often do feminists cry for women to receive less in a divorce?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:39 pm to Pettifogger
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Buddy of mine who just completed residency had a couple of residents when he was CR from a nearby HBCU. FWIW, the school is well thought of as HBCUs go. Said that it was by far the scariest point of his medical education/career to date. He has several stories where he or someone else probably saved the life of a patient due to the ineptness of these guys. Apparently nobody gave a shite, including the residents who sucked.
as a physician who teaches at all levels right now (med students, residents) I can tell you that affirmative action in many times gives you a medical provider that is sub-par in many ways. Things like this lead to distrust on many people's part against minority doctors - the very thing that minorities don't want. The solution is to get rid of affirmative action - but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:46 pm to DeltaDoc
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The article essentially states that the lack of AA medical students starts with problems as early as third grade in the educational process.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but affirmative action shouldn't start in college. These kids are in terrible environments with parents and communities who don't care about their educational future. By the time college rolls around they are far, far behind the curve. If you want them to be on an equal standing, you've got to start earlier. That's if you want affirmative action to be something besides throwing under qualified minorities into the deep end in college and graduate school.
I'm finishing up my medical schooling, and without going into specifics, I saw some of my AA colleagues struggling more than others. Good people, but their early educational experiences were certainly different than mine.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:52 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So you don't think that slavery, segregation and other efforts to hold back the black race has anything to do with it at all
Those things may have slowed the development, but the starting point for sub Saharan Africans would have been lower than contemporary Europeans with or without slavery.
I'm not blaming Africans for being less intelligent. We should do what we can to help the ones that are here. And we should acknowledge the wrongs that have been done to them and their predecessors. But let's not pretend that encouraging the least intelligent among them to go to school will create a bunch of doctors immediately. It will take a long time.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:54 pm to Cosmo
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As Ive stated before my med school had a quota. 10% of class had to be black.
These were spots reserved for blacks. The administration knew only 50% would finish med school so they accounted for this and technically no spots were taken from more qualified candidates.
The average MCAT score for black is in the low 20s. Whites, asians around 30.
I find it depressing that they give false hope to people that simply arent capable of completing med school by giving them a spot but it is what it is.
I still keep up with a couple of my black classmates that finished and they are doing very well, most doing primary care near their homes.
But the ones that flunked out essentially wasted a couple years of their life and now have tons of d
^^same here.
Out of the 162 students in my initial med school class, the 8 who flunked out were all AA. (8 out of the 10 who started).
They shouldn't have been there in the first place based on their grades (at HBU none the less) and MCATs
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:56 pm to uway
quote:They did and are the biggest contributor to what we see today.
Those things may have slowed the development
quote:Not arguing that because it is true.
but the starting point for sub Saharan Africans would have been lower than contemporary Europeans with or without slavery.
quote:With you right here
I'm not blaming Africans for being less intelligent. We should do what we can to help the ones that are here. And we should acknowledge the wrongs that have been done to them and their predecessors.
quote:Still on the same page. Like I said earlier not all black people can be doctors, but allowing the access will continue to lift up a community that has been marginalized and not completely wiped away.
But let's not pretend that encouraging the least intelligent among them to go to school will create a bunch of doctors immediately. It will take a long time.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:00 pm to Ingeniero
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The sad part is this same graph is applicable in all industries unfortunately. if there are 3 equal candidates, 2 white males and 1 black male or white female, then guess who is getting the job?
I was in the airport in Atlanta a couple of months ago and a black guy dressed very nicely talking business on the phone was approached unsolicited by the VP of a medical sales company (we were waiting in the southwest line to board). "I overheard you talking about medical sales...where do your work...(small talk blah blah), then I hear "well are you willing to relocate. We have an open job in orange beach and are specifically searching for diversity candidates."
Of course they exchange cards, conversation lasted less than 3 minutes. Sad world we live in today.
This post was edited on 4/11/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:03 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Yet somehow I am told it's because I'm privileged
You are privileged to know who your daddy is.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:14 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Yet somehow I am told it's because I'm privileged
We are privileged to be descended from Europeans. That doesn't imply we should feel badly or that other races should get extra breaks at our expense. But denying it is stupid.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:15 pm to LSUzealot
quote:If I busted my arse competing with other students in med school, that would piss me off. I'd take the job if it was right, but it would still piss me off. Should you take the job because you are qualified, or should you take the job because you are black?
We have an open job in orange beach and are specifically searching for diversity candidates."
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:43 pm to jrodLSUke
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The Asian guy in the back is probably studying for Med School.
And he'll probably get rejected, while Sharkeisha flipping the bird will get accepted her first try.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 1:51 pm to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
Previously it was posted that 80% of blacks are born out of wedlock. Is this true? That's terrible. Family structure is huge on a child's future. But that always gets overlooked.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:00 pm to DeltaDoc
Is this a joke ? I saw the "yearbook" of a well established med school in the US that had 60% black students...and it wasn't a small school by any means.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 2:03 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So you don't think that slavery, segregation and other efforts to hold back the black race has anything to do with it at all?
1,000,000's of years of hunter/gatherer survival living>>>>>100 years of slavery under the white man.
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