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re: Inefficient Company Meetings Rant
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:37 am to SidetrackSilvera
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:37 am to SidetrackSilvera
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Stop talking like this.
Also, stop using sports and war analogies.
The amount of bullshite will begin to decrease.
The code base we work on is old AF and written by a mongolian in a garage who knew how to make code work, but only in the most inefficient way.
I don't generally use office jargon, but I didn't realize problematic infrastructure was office jargon particularly. Definitely hate office buzz phrases. But, it was easier to say 3 words than it was to type the above sentence. The company hasn't put the resources into this to modernize the code.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:37 am to WhiskeyThrottle
getting pulled into a 1 hour training meeting to learn a new system, and 45 mins of it is discussing anything other than what we should be learning - especially when our merit increase and potential bonus rides on goals set for the new system.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:38 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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asked to be on meetings where we have no clue what they're going to throw at us. It would be nice if we got a list of questions BEFORE we got on the call so that we could be prepared
Story of my life, brother. I don't know if its the millennial in me or what, but I cannot stand going into a call blind. The only thing worse than an email that says, "Can you give me a call?" (with no context) is my phone lighting up with a random mystery number that could be anyone ready to hit me with questions I am not prepared for.
My job is data-related and requires me to be logged into the system of whatever client I'm speaking to, so I can't just answer the phone randomly from the car or across the office and help them.
The way some people are allergic to email perplexes me. 9 times out of 10 when someone wants a call to discuss something, it is the most straight forward question that could have been a 3 sentence email.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:40 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Went from a dept that had one a quarter to five to six a day, including a daily on call for US team and evening hand off to overseas...
More money, more problems
More money, more problems
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:41 am to chrome_daddy
A retirement community not that close to my part of Tennessee is known for its amenities, it's also known for the huge number of middle level managers who retired there from auto industries to the north.
Committees there are composed of middle level managers. They retain their habits of having to express an opinion about everything. There are no short meetings. Nor are there meetings in which decisions are made without additional discussions often needing subcommittees to be formed. .
Committees there are composed of middle level managers. They retain their habits of having to express an opinion about everything. There are no short meetings. Nor are there meetings in which decisions are made without additional discussions often needing subcommittees to be formed. .
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:41 am to WhiskeyThrottle
My favorite are people who ask a lot of irrelevant questions. It’s the same people every time, lol.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:43 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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The code base we work on is old AF and written by a mongolian in a garage who knew how to make code work, but only in the most inefficient way. I don't generally use office jargon, but I didn't realize problematic infrastructure was office jargon particularly. Definitely hate office buzz phrases. But, it was easier to say 3 words than it was to type the above sentence. The company hasn't put the resources into this to modernize the code.
That’s because businesses don’t want to pay for a product twice. Just make it work. I’ve dealt with a ton of code bases and engineers over the years. 100% of the time with software engineers…..
1. This code is old and needs to be modernized. Because engineers turnover their entire stack and philosophy every 5 years.
2. The last developer was an idiot and wrote this poorly.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:46 am to WhiskeyThrottle
just keep dropping a bunch of technical terms to confuse them and make yourself look smart.
Feel free to make up a few.
Feel free to make up a few.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:46 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Went from a dept that had one a quarter to five to six a day, including a daily on call for US team and evening hand off to overseas...
More money, more problems
Probably some of this going on. I did recently get a promotion to a managerial position, but also the previous team had just left. So when I say a 2 man team, there are two of us that are able to be productive and 2 still in the set up phase who aren't quite "productive" yet. And we have several other problems that some are self inflicted that I'm solving for. But I have spent the first 4 or 5 hours of my day on meetings for the last 4 months and most of them either they don't need me on, or most can be resolved in an e-mail. And none of them have a set agenda prior to the meeting.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:52 am to Sofaking2
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My favorite are people who ask a lot of irrelevant questions. It’s the same people every time, lol.
Yeah those are the guys who are trying to justify their existence by asking irrelevant questions....but in the end...management keeps them instead of the productive engineers.
There's the other guys too...the ones that submit spelling error and grammatical kinds of errors on document reviews and never technical kind of comments.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:54 am to WhiskeyThrottle
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I'm a part of a two man software dev team
Are you really a man? Sounds like you work inside with the women
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:54 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I specifically ask people for context and tell them I’d like to do some research before hand so we can more efficiently use the 30 minutes to discuss options/next steps.
Basically call their attention to the fact that they’re setting up a waste of time without calling them out.
Basically call their attention to the fact that they’re setting up a waste of time without calling them out.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:55 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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I have no problem telling a meeting coordinator I'll take an action for that. 2 week lead time is usually my standard answer for anything. If I get it done sooner, then I do.
You and I are one in the same. I internally refer to it as "people training".
I seldom take an actual 2 weeks on even larger projects that get requested, but I tend to quote much longer than needed because I don't want to set a precedent that I'm dropping all other items on my to-do for a left field request.
And it works - I usually get thanked for putting in the extra effort when I finish in 4-5 days.
EDIT - I usually do this as a CYA for the future. The large project you ask me for this time might only take 4 days because I'm able to make room for it, but maybe next time you ask me for it I'm out of town and won't be back for a week. Or maybe I'm working on a large item for someone else at the exact time you request. I like to have wiggle room by default in case anything less than perfect occurs.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:56 am to WhiskeyThrottle
I won't waste my time in a meeting absent an agenda
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:57 am to WhiskeyThrottle
All meetings are a waste of time.
Prove me wrong
Prove me wrong
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:57 am to Jcorye1
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I hate having a thousand people on a meeting call. Most meetings should be 8 people at most, and either film it or have two people doing notes.
Video should be on. If you don't have time for the meeting, then don't attend, and we all know if you're not on video you're double tasking.
If it can be a goddamn email, make it a goddamn email.
Last, you're not "giving me back time", you planned the timing poorly.
This. Every word of this.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:59 am to Jcorye1
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Video should be on.
Oh, you're one of those people. However did you manage before COVID made Zoom/Teams ubiquitous?
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:06 am to LouisianaLady
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I cannot stand going into a call blind. The only thing worse than an email that says, "Can you give me a call?" (with no context) is my phone lighting up with a random mystery number that could be anyone ready to hit me with questions I am not prepared for.
My job is data-related and requires me to be logged into the system of whatever client I'm speaking to, so I can't just answer the phone randomly from the car or across the office and help them.
The way some people are allergic to email perplexes me. 9 times out of 10 when someone wants a call to discuss something, it is the most straight forward question that could have been a 3 sentence email.
THIS! So much this!!!
Every freaking day
I also work with a group of sales people. Their managers love to have everyone on the call to give accolades on accomplishments they already sent congraulatory emails on. Same with clients who want vendors on calls to congratulate themselves on aquisitions. WTF is that about? (Under the guise of instructions re: the new company but it is always pompous celebrations then details to follow
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:07 am to Mo Jeaux
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Oh, you're one of those people.
If something is important enough for a meeting, it's important enough for face to face. Talking to a blank wall of initials is not only annoying, I've found people are just not paying attention at all. I don't set up meetings unless they are needed and work has been put into them (agenda, planning, ect), so I would like engagement.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:10 am to Mo Jeaux
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Oh, you're one of those people. However did you manage before COVID made Zoom/Teams ubiquitous?
People tend to be more engaged in meetings when you can see their faces. You just have better meetings with cameras on.
As someone who has been full-time WFH for 8 years, I don’t get why people are so allergic to them. Are you working or naw?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:11 am
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