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re: India’s aging MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16 in dogfight
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:15 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:15 am to Eli Goldfinger
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F-16 isn’t an air superiority fighter.
Against a sky full of MiG-21s?
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:26 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Side note: I wish we didn’t give aid like this to Pakistan.
That’s one mistake the GOP has to own.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:02 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:03 am to Street Hawk
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How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
Better pilot.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:04 am to Parmen
First F16s were delivered to the paks in 1983
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:08 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Also I am sure that the F-16's we sold them were 1st generation model's which was first built in the mid 70's.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:10 am to Street Hawk
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How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
When I was in the AirForce, our squadron sold some of our F-15C's to Saudi. We basically took everything out of them. The advanced radar etc.
While we sell our model planes, we usually keep the technology.
However, F-16s suck. F15 is the air to air king.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:12 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Against a sky full of MiG-21s?
Those MiG-21 Bisons aren’t terrible. Definitely not the same as the extremely old MiG-21s. These have upgraded avionics and sensors, and they’re carrying very capable missiles.
ETA: but really, even then, that doesn’t matter when there’s little to no situational awareness from the pilots whether that be due to lack of sensors, lack of pilot skill, lack of ground control radar, or a lack of AWACS.
So while Pakistan has F-16s that U.S. pilots have had success in, they don’t have the U.S. pilots or anything else (probably, cba to check) that is required to make a comprehensive and lethal Air Force (advanced sensors, highly trained and ready personnel, and the ability to control the EW airspace)
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:28 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:34 am to Street Hawk
quote:60s vs 70s......
How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:37 am to Street Hawk
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This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:28 am to Street Hawk
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How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
it comes down to who is the better pilot, a good pilot in an old plane can easily out fly an average pilot in a new plane
guy who got shot down wasnt very good is all, or, he was caught completely off guard
Posted on 3/4/19 at 4:57 am to JayDeerTay84
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F15 is the air to air king.
You mean, was?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 5:42 am to dawgsjlw
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Makes you think.
Someone has to keep the "defense" contractors loaded. They can't survive on our trillions of tax dollars alone.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 6:06 am to Street Hawk
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How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
Pilot skills. It's a game changer.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 6:09 am to Street Hawk
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How the frick does a 1960s Cold War era Russian fighter manage to shoot down a modern F-16 in a dogfight? I don’t get it.
It's simple; a more talented pilot
Posted on 3/4/19 at 6:39 am to meeple
No... He said is.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:30 am to Wtodd
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It's simple; a more talented pilot
I remember reading an article in "Flying" magazine in the 1980's about Air National Guard pilots flying Vietnam-era F-4s winning aerial combat competitions against Air Force regulars flying F-16s. The conclusion was that most of the ANG pilots had combat experience in 'Nam (in the F-4), while the Regulars had little-to-no combat experience in any platform. Experience matters. Korean War jet jockeys knew they were up against Soviet pilots as opposed to NOKO or Chinese pilots because the former would engage, while the latter would turn tail and run.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Air National Guard pilots flying Vietnam-era F-4s winning aerial combat competitions against Air Force regulars flying F-16s
seen lots of that type of schooling, many 4 v. 1 (Viper/Phantom} knife fights where the old F-4 driver would take all four
Posted on 3/4/19 at 8:56 am to 777Tiger
Even at the beginning of WW2, the lowly Brewster Buffalo scored kills against the far superior Mitsubishi A6M.
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