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re: India’s aging MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16 in dogfight
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Exactly. And as others have said, the F-16 the Pakistani was flying isn’t exactly what most would consider a “modern” fighter. The MiG-21 isn’t that much older than the F-16. Factor in pilot skill and it’s no surprise how this dogfight turned out.
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Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:51 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I remember reading an article in "Flying" magazine in the 1980's about Air National Guard pilots flying Vietnam-era F-4s winning aerial combat competitions against Air Force regulars flying F-16s. The conclusion was that most of the ANG pilots had combat experience in 'Nam (in the F-4), while the Regulars had little-to-no combat experience in any platform. Experience matters. Korean War jet jockeys knew they were up against Soviet pilots as opposed to NOKO or Chinese pilots because the former would engage, while the latter would turn tail and run.
I agree, experience matters....also not relying on missiles so much.....gotta out fly the other pilot
Posted on 3/4/19 at 9:55 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Nice 190 as your avi. Looks like a D-9 if I'm not mistaken
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:02 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Nice 190 as your avi.
Thanks. I finished it just yesterday.
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Looks like a D-9 if I'm not mistaken
You’re correct. This particular one was flown by LT. Teo Nibel of JG.54. He was shot down over Wemmel, Belgium on Jan. 1 1945 during Operation Bodenplatte.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:06 am to Street Hawk
DONT YOU DAMN RIGHT ME
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:08 am to Darth_Vader
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Thanks. I finished it just yesterday.
Good job, sir! I have a few in the stash. Going to do the obvious Yellow 10 if I can find the -13 conversion. I built a D-9 but in a different livery. Its at the house. Got others?
This post was edited on 3/4/19 at 10:09 am
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:11 am to shutterspeed
We chuckle but I bet after all that pageantry they are amped to kill a guy.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:13 am to ZappBrannigan
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they are amped to kill a guy.
a kill's a kill baby
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:20 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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I remember reading an article in "Flying" magazine in the 1980's about Air National Guard pilots flying Vietnam-era F-4s winning aerial combat competitions against Air Force regulars flying F-16s. The conclusion was that most of the ANG pilots had combat experience in 'Nam (in the F-4), while the Regulars had little-to-no combat experience in any platform
The guy's in the Phantoms also bought "fuzz buster" car radar detectors at the base PX, and mounted one facing forward and one facing rear in the cockpit. It gave them warning of when they were "painted" by the F16's radar, giving them a extra edge. Countering a multi million dollar avionics platform with a 100 dollar radar detector.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:21 am to 777Tiger
Someone wake me up when there’s a gun kill
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:22 am to EA6B
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The guy's in the Phantoms also bought "fuzz buster" car radar detectors at the base PX, and mounted one facing forward and one facing rear in the cockpit. It gave them warning of when they were "painted" by the F16's radar, giving them a extra edge. Countering a multi million dollar avionics platform with a 100 dollar radar detector.
Not a stupid idea if it works. Guys knew what they were doing!
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:28 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Someone wake me up when there’s a gun kill
I think the last one was by an Israeli F-15, no?
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:28 am to Spaceman Spiff
Better than my current RWR.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:36 am to Street Hawk
Had me wondering why my tier two desktop support has been lagging this morning.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:36 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Someone wake me up when there’s a gun kill
I think the MIG-21 has muskets on each wing.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:37 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Not a stupid idea if it works. Guys knew what they were doing!
Viper guys were doing that at Red Flag back in the 80s, tried some unrealistic tactics to gain an advantage, didn't last very long
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:43 am to Tigeralum2008
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3. F-16 has beaten the F-35 in simulated dogfights. Put the right pilot in the cockpit and it can hold its own against anyone
Not to derail but that was one time and it was because pilots were flying the F35 like an F16/15/18 etc and not how it’s intended to be flown.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think the MIG-21 has muskets on each wing.
retrofitted with AKs towards the end of VN
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:47 am to brass2mouth
The F-35 doesn’t/can’t dogfight.
Posted on 3/4/19 at 10:48 am to 777Tiger
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retrofitted with AKs towards the end of VN
I imagine reloading those muskets in flight was a bit of a hassle.
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