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re: If you're afraid for your life at a restaurant, do you stop to pay the tab?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:15 am to NOFOX
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:15 am to NOFOX
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Do people here really eat at restaurants where other patrons open carry long guns?
I certainly wouldn't. And, yes, I'd leave immediately without stopping to pay my bill if I saw someone carry one in.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:15 am to Rex
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And, yes, I'd leave immediately without stopping to pay my bill if I saw someone carry one in.
I'd hope the police were called and the criminal (you) were held to account.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:15 am to Rex
Typical liberal response.
Anything for free shite, huh?
Anything for free shite, huh?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:16 am to Rex
In all my years of eating out and buying groceries I've seen 2 citizens open carry a pistol and not one time have I seen a long gun open carried in public.
I even lived in Virginia where you can carry in a bar.
Those times I saw the open carry pistols I was in no way in fear for my life.
More open carry histeria.
I even lived in Virginia where you can carry in a bar.
Those times I saw the open carry pistols I was in no way in fear for my life.
More open carry histeria.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:16 am to Salmon
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tell me about the fire again please
The fire is a valid equivalency. A loaded gun in the carry of a stranger is a legitimate fear.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:17 am to Rex
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His point is that it's not stealing if you're genuinely concerned about your safety. I agree with him.
I wonder what he'd call the author?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:17 am to KG6
Goddamn it, both of these fricking arguments are retarded.
If you can't see the difference between a kitchen knife (which serves a purpose other than protection) and a rifle (which serves no purpose other than protection or intimidation) then you're a fricking idiot.
If you honestly think that the best way to express your unease with a rifle being present is to shop lift, then you're equally retarded.
Can't y'all just agree that acting like an adult on both sides might be an easier answer than throwing a fit to get your way? Don't go into a restaurant with a rifle, don't steal from restaurants. Wouldn't that be easier?
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I'm sure there are knives in the kitchen at the restaurant. Do those not scare him? Cars in the parking lot can be just as deadly. Do those not scare him?
If you can't see the difference between a kitchen knife (which serves a purpose other than protection) and a rifle (which serves no purpose other than protection or intimidation) then you're a fricking idiot.
If you honestly think that the best way to express your unease with a rifle being present is to shop lift, then you're equally retarded.
Can't y'all just agree that acting like an adult on both sides might be an easier answer than throwing a fit to get your way? Don't go into a restaurant with a rifle, don't steal from restaurants. Wouldn't that be easier?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:18 am to Rex
One person is breaking the law in your scenario and one isn't.
One is going about his day looking to pay his tab. One is looking for free shite. You voted for Obama, correct?
One is going about his day looking to pay his tab. One is looking for free shite. You voted for Obama, correct?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:18 am to Rex
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The fire is a valid equivalency
no it isn't quote:
A loaded gun in the carry of a stranger is a legitimate fear.
It is a legitimate fear to you.
But not to me.
So I ask you again, what defines a legitimate fear?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:18 am to Rex
You do realize you come into contact with multiple conceal carriers on a weekly basis right?
Ever been shot by a law abiding citizen?
Ever been shot by a law abiding citizen?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:19 am to Rex
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It's interesting that even the NRA originally condemned open carry into restaurants,
Actually they didn't.
What's really interesting is the cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy you are demonstrating by starting this thread. Gun-control advocates frequently argue that carrying a firearm, open or concealed, is an act of paranoia and baseless fear. Then here you support a professor advocating an action of theft as a response that can only be based on paranoia and baseless fear. Pretty much proves that gun-control loons project their fears and ignorance.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:19 am to roadGator
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I'd hope the police were called and the criminal (you) were held to account.
I'd likely be a victim if the rifle carrier saw me trying to leave without paying.
"Hey, he's trying to steal a meal! Stop or I'll shoot!"
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:20 am to Rex
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I certainly wouldn't. And, yes, I'd leave immediately without stopping to pay my bill if I saw someone carry one in
Would you return the next day and pay your debts? The article you linked the author clearly cites that you should not pay on principal. You are saying out of fear. I have been in an establishment when a bomb threat was made and we were forced to leave. I returned the following day to settle my debts.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:20 am to LucasP
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Don't go into a restaurant with a rifle, don't steal from restaurants. Wouldn't that be easier?
I 100% agree
I think most open carry people, especially long rifle open carry, are massive attention whores
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:21 am to Clames
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Then here you support a professor advocating an action of theft as a response
No, he's not. He's advocating reacting for your own safety.
It's not stealing if you're escaping for your life.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:21 am to Rex
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It's not stealing if you're escaping for your life.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:22 am to Rex
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"Hey, he's trying to steal a meal! Stop or I'll shoot!"
Murder. Deadly force can only be applied when you or the lives of others are perceived to be in danger.
Your ignorance is fueling your fear.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:23 am to Rex
the funny thing is that i'm also opposed to these idiots carrying rifles into eateries just to make a point. its one thing to stop in somewhere and happen to have your rifle on you, and if you're walking or riding a bike, motorcycle, or horse it would be reasonable to take it inside with you rather than leave it outside in the open.
parading around with a loaded rifle (or even with an empty mag in place) to try to force people to deal with your, i don't know, gun-ness is alienating and counter-productive to the cause of preservation of gun rights.
that being said, stealing from restaurants as a form of protest of these idiots doing their idiot protest feels an awful lot like you're trying to out-stupid them.
parading around with a loaded rifle (or even with an empty mag in place) to try to force people to deal with your, i don't know, gun-ness is alienating and counter-productive to the cause of preservation of gun rights.
that being said, stealing from restaurants as a form of protest of these idiots doing their idiot protest feels an awful lot like you're trying to out-stupid them.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:24 am to AwesomeSauce
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Would you return the next day and pay your debts?
Yes, I probably would. Depends on the owner's own response, though.
At any rate, I've said all I have to say on the subject and would just be repeating myself from here on out. Going to lunch.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:24 am to Rex
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It's not stealing if you're escaping for your life.
But you couldn't even prove there was a credible threat, much less that you feared for your life.
You made your point, but you lose legally, and you're still paying for that meal plus a misdemeanor theft charge and court costs.
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