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re: If you are a cop, quit your job.

Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10449 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:38 pm to
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you mean a world where they’re slowly being held accountable for their frick ups?
Is this happening for your parents?
Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:44 pm to
Please go back to your video game
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9851 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:49 pm to
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don't know. You pick. It doesn't matter to me.


Not even slightly surprising.

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Many people never face consequences for their actions. The world is full of them. Is that your argument, that some things aren't fair?


Not at all, but not surprising that as a cop you would have such a simplistic view on things.

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am wholly unfamiliar with his case,


Go watch the video. It’s still online.

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but it sounds like your beef here is with the judge or jury or DA, not the rest of the rank and file officers.


My problem is with all of them.

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They didn't have make the decision on what he was charged with or what he was convicted of or what his sentence would be.


They made the decision to protect him as witnesses during the trial.

They made the decision to rehire him after the trial so he could collect his taxpayer funded pension.

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Was Rice the one who had the toy gun that looked like the real gun and neighbors called and said he was pointing it at people? Again, sounds like your beef is elsewhere.


You mean the one where the 12 year old playing with a toy gun in a public park was murdered by a cop playing Rambo that couldn’t even wait until the car stopped moving before shooting him? And then lied after the fact about rice ignoring commands to drop the toy gun because he didn’t realize there was a surveillance camera on that area of the park? Yea that’s the one.

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Well, it isn't widespread. Your own figure was more than half, and that's just clown stuff. Unless I'm wrong, of course. Please define the subjective term "widespread" and omit "pervasive" because, by definition, police corruption is not pervasive.


This entire paragraph is nothing but you saying “nah uh, because I said so” with absolutely no substance. I could spend even more time naming cases from a number of large metro areas all around this country, and it would be completely pointless because you will just continue to ignore it while insisting this issue only exists with “hillbilly deputies”

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Again, it seems like your beef is with the courts, judges, juries, etc., not the rest of the officers who have no say on whether anyone, police or otherwise, is charged or not charged or convicted or not convicted.


Yes, I also have an issue with the DA is St. Louis that brought unconstitutional charges against the mccloskeys, and the judge that signed the unconstitutional warrant for their arrest. And I’ve never said or implied differently.

But as has already been mentioned in this thread, “I’m just doing my job” is not a valid excuse. So the cops get blame too.

And I’ll take that as a no, you don’t want to take that deal. I wonder why.

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Again, your beef is beyond the rank and file. The majority of your issues don't stem from line officers, it seems. You have an issue with charges, prosecutions, trials, and sentencing, none of which are performed by officers. Well charging...kinda, but not really.


I get it. You’re either not intelligent enough or just afraid to come up with an actual response, but I’ve said many many times my issue is with the cops that break the law and violate constitutional rights, and the other cops that protect them. Just because you can’t/won’t come up with a response to that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

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The funny thing is that you don't vote for which officer gets hired, but you do very likely vote for judges, DAs, mayors, etc., and those are the ones that are actually pulling the strings. Have you addressed any of these points with people of influence, or just the guy that used to police a long time ago?


The funnier thing is you failing at deflecting blame from shitty cops by trying to act like I don’t have an issue with all of the other people and groups you mentioned instead of addressing the multiple points about shitty cop behavior.

And of course, when you do attempt to address it you pretend the issues are relegated to “hillbilly deputies” and claim it’s not pervasive by definition. Not because of any facts or supporting argument, just because you said so.

Oh yea, and cops not facing consequences for their actions is the same as doctors having malpractice insurance.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14801 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:51 pm to
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All for 60k a year?


Lol you think cops make 60k a year?
Posted by AUcs13
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2011
3032 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:33 pm to
Tons of absolute idiots in this thread.

It's nice to make a difference in a community you enjoy living in. Whether it's returning stolen property to an owner, arresting an abusive spouse who makes their SO life a living hell, helping addicts get off of drugs by being willing to listen & encourage them because they haven't gotten it anywhere else, or getting a murderer off of the street.

Regardless of what the media wants you to believe it's still a very fulfilling job. Are there bad apples who don't deserve to be cops? 1000%. All I can do is treat people how I would want my family treated if they dealt with LEOs. I'm lucky that I make a good living and work in one of the most conservative areas in the country. FTR the retirement is great if you make it there and I couldn't imagine clocking into a desk job everyday and being completely miserable.
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:42 am to
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I am still holding out hope that the politics shift and we get the support we need to do the tough work we know is necessary.

Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
37279 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 12:42 am to
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Everyone expects you to never make a mistake. Even in life threatening millisecond situations.


We talking about the cops or the suspects here?
Posted by NorthTxLSU
Dallas to Austin
Member since Nov 2018
12191 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:13 am to
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Is this happening for your parents?


relax tiger girl i can smell your cooter through the screen
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:25 am to
1. These cops that are bad cops have no other options that gets them the power and benefits.

2. They're too dumb to correct their behavior. If they were smart they would straight up openly stop pursuing any suspects that are black. College kid or professor gets robbed or mugged. "Sorry, in an effort to help create equity we had to let him go. It's your fault for being white".
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19874 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:41 am to
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If I was a sheriff or commissioner I would round up every taser on the force and trash them.

Seems reasonable. For a non lethal weapon, there's a lot of deaths attributed to them. I've seen the Rodney King video countless times since I was 11-12... he survived quite the baton/asp beating. Pretty much the most aggressive display I've seen with that non lethal weapon.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2622 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:59 am to
Back up your claims of "more than half" and maybe then we can get somewhere. Until then, you're operating from emotion. And I understand that. You're sad and you're mad and you're frustrated. Those are all big emotions to process. It just doesn't wash like you think it does.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2622 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:04 am to
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Lol you think cops make 60k a year?

Plenty make nearly double that. Maybe not where you live, but they're out there. Many states have transparency sites (transparentcalifornia.com is one I'm most familiar with). You can search by name, position, etc. and see breakouts of bennies, salary, overtime, etc.

Several states have something similar.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9851 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:42 am to
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Back up your claims of "more than half"


I already provided my reasoning for how I got that number. Again, just because you can’t or won’t think of a rebuttal doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

Backup your claim that my number is wrong.

Backup your claim that cops protecting each other is the same as doctors having malpractice insurance.

Backup your claim that only hillbilly deputies are bad cops.

Backup your claim that cops doing bad things and other cops protecting them isn’t widespread.

Backup your claim that the problem can’t be pervasive by definition.

Backup your claim that I’m wanting to apply different standards to cops and citizens.

Backup pretty much anything you’ve said.

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maybe then we can get somewhere.


You have absolutely no interest in getting anywhere. You only have interest in throwing our meaningless platitudes and ‘nah uhs’ to continue attempting to shield bad cops from criticism.

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Until then, you're operating from emotion. And I understand that. You're sad and you're mad and you're frustrated. Those are all big emotions to process. It just doesn't wash like you think it does.


Yea, the person citing numerous examples, consistently applying standards and logic, and explaining the reasons for his thoughts and positions is the emotional one. The one arguing ‘nah uh’ isn’t

You’re making it very clear that “can’t” is the obvious choice in the why you're not offering any kind of actual rebuttal here.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2622 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:51 am to
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I already provided my reasoning for how I got that number. Again, just because you can’t or won’t think of a rebuttal doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

Backup your claim that my number is wrong.
That's not really how it works. See, you throw out a figure, and then you defend it.

Sensibly, if possible.

I'm not sure you're at that point.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130459 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:53 am to
A cops career is 99.99999% coffee and donuts.


I still wouldn't do it in today's climate.
Posted by Abraham H Parnassis
Member since Jul 2020
2622 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:55 am to
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A cops career is 99.99999% coffee and donuts.

We used to say "squuezing 15 minutes of excitement into a 10 hour shift.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9851 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:56 am to
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That's not really how it works. See, you throw out a figure, and then you defend it.


See, I already did that. You’re just continuing to demonstrate you’re not capable of understanding that or coming up with a response to it.

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Sensibly, if possible. I'm not sure you're at that point.


here you are claiming I’m not capable of sensibly responding to something when 1) I’ve done it the entire thread, and 2)youve done it virtually none. Most recently, there’s a whole lot of post there you “forgot” to respond to. Here, let me repost it for you:

I already provided my reasoning for how I got that number. Again, just because you can’t or won’t think of a rebuttal doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

Backup your claim that my number is wrong.

Backup your claim that cops protecting each other is the same as doctors having malpractice insurance.

Backup your claim that only hillbilly deputies are bad cops.

Backup your claim that cops doing bad things and other cops protecting them isn’t widespread.

Backup your claim that the problem can’t be pervasive by definition.

Backup your claim that I’m wanting to apply different standards to cops and citizens.

Backup pretty much anything you’ve said.
Posted by TheBaker
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2004
4577 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:01 am to
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according to several cops I know, it's not about the Pay it's about the (unofficial) Perks and the Pension


He’s not exactly wrong, but it’s only because they’re brainwashed into thinking $60k is AWESOME money and because you can receive your base pension (probably around $1200 every 2 weeks) and a “drop” savings after 34 years of service.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:01 am to
Cops are glorified pirates. Same rules, same rewards.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6693 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:10 am to
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