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re: If masks are *somewhat* effective then...?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:35 pm to Clames
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:35 pm to Clames
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Except a car accident is vastly more likely to result in serious injury or death than getting this virus. Apparently the whole concept of asymptomatic infection is beyond your grasp, even though they may now be an order of magnitude more than symptomatic folks.
In 2019 an estimated 38,800 people died in car crashes. You must have never been in a car accident where you weren’t injured. Trust
Me, they’re very common.
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Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:42 pm to GRTiger
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Who is the bigger a-hole, the guy who wears a bandanna over his mouth in the middle of massive group of people, or the guy who doesn't wear a mask and just avoids close contact with others?
You’re introducing another factor.
We’re talking about yes or no mask.
Life is about cost/benefit analysis.
The benefits of the mask may not be enormous the the costs are extremely low too.
And if you want to say people shouldn’t get a false sense of security from wearing a mask wrong or a bandana I would Agree.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
I'm introducing a factor that has always been part of this.
I find the forced mask EOs bullshite because of all the other factors involved, which include exemptions for mayor approved large gatherings (ie protests), exemptions for children 10 and under, the unscientific language of the requirements (ie literally any face covering is OK), and a host of other ridiculous things that make these mask laws worthless, and masks themselves ineffective.
Right now, a guy sitting alone in a corner booth at a restaurant not wearing a mask is considered a violator, but a guy at a protest with a t-shirt over his face is good to go.
Masks could be effective, but how they are used, and how the EOs are enforced, make this a sham.
How about the fact that unless the states invalidated them, many have laws AGAINST wearing face coverings in public. This seemingly life saving measure (not specific to covid) was a crime until recently, or may still be in some states.
To use your seat belt analogy, do any states have laws prohibiting the use of seat belts?
I find the forced mask EOs bullshite because of all the other factors involved, which include exemptions for mayor approved large gatherings (ie protests), exemptions for children 10 and under, the unscientific language of the requirements (ie literally any face covering is OK), and a host of other ridiculous things that make these mask laws worthless, and masks themselves ineffective.
Right now, a guy sitting alone in a corner booth at a restaurant not wearing a mask is considered a violator, but a guy at a protest with a t-shirt over his face is good to go.
Masks could be effective, but how they are used, and how the EOs are enforced, make this a sham.
How about the fact that unless the states invalidated them, many have laws AGAINST wearing face coverings in public. This seemingly life saving measure (not specific to covid) was a crime until recently, or may still be in some states.
To use your seat belt analogy, do any states have laws prohibiting the use of seat belts?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:04 pm to GRTiger
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I'm introducing a factor that has always been part of this
No it hasn’t.
You’re make a false assumption that all people without masks are keeping their distance.
If you’re out in the park by yourself or walking around the block, go nuts.
We’re mostly talking about grocery stores and other public places where people are in closer proximity to eachotherZ
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Right now, a guy sitting alone in a corner booth at a restaurant not wearing a mask is considered a violator, but a guy at a protest with a t-shirt over his face is good to go.
He actually isn’t. You can take your mask off at a restaurant because that’s how food works.
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How about the fact that unless the states invalidated them, many have laws AGAINST wearing face coverings in public. This seemingly life saving measure (not specific to covid) was a crime until recently, or may still be in some states.
These laws generally aren’t being enforced.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:11 pm to GRTiger
In regard to the mask debate, it seems like many in the anti-masker crowd are letting perfect be the enemy of good.
Are masks the perfect solution? No.
Do they provide some marginal utility both practically and psychologically? By and large yes.
We are never going to get perfect compliance from the general populace but screaming about how masks are some horrible infringement when the cost to wear one is minimal just makes you an a-hole.
It's a shitty time for everyone, no need to make it worse by screaming over a mask.
Is is that difficult to just not be an a-hole?
Are masks the perfect solution? No.
Do they provide some marginal utility both practically and psychologically? By and large yes.
We are never going to get perfect compliance from the general populace but screaming about how masks are some horrible infringement when the cost to wear one is minimal just makes you an a-hole.
It's a shitty time for everyone, no need to make it worse by screaming over a mask.
Is is that difficult to just not be an a-hole?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:36 pm to jclem11
Yeah the cost/benefit risk/reward analysis says you should probably just wear a mask.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
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Yeah the cost/benefit risk/reward analysis says you should probably just wear a mask.
There's no benefit if you're healthy so the risk side is moot.
There's also no risk to not wearing one if healthy, so that one is moot as well.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:42 pm to Centinel
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There's no benefit if you're healthy so the risk side is moot.
There's also no risk to not wearing one if healthy, so that one is moot as well.
We get it chief. You are just an a-hole.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:51 pm to DeCat ODahouse
Folks this has already been solved. Gross and disgusting people have to wear a mask. Clean people don’t have to. End thread
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:54 pm to jclem11
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We get it chief. You are just an a-hole.
So do masks not protect someone at risk from contracting the virus? If so, what does it matter if someone who is healthy is wearing one or not?
If you are at risk, are you not wearing a mask in public?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 1:58 pm to Centinel
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There's no benefit if you're healthy so the risk side is moot. There's also no risk to not wearing one if healthy, so that one is moot as well.
But there is a risk of you getting it from someone not wearing a mask while not wearing a mask and a risk of you being infected without knowing it.
Vs, the cost of just wearing a mask, which is nothing.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:00 pm to SammyTiger
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But there is a risk of you getting it from someone not wearing a mask while not wearing a mask
If you're at risk getting it, why are you not wearing a mask?
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:00 pm to Centinel
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So do masks not protect someone at risk from contracting the virus?
It has been explained a million times. Masks protect others from your droplets.
If everyone wears masks it helps reduce the amount of droplets and spread of the virus.
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If so, what does it matter if someone who is healthy is wearing one or not?
It has been explained a million times. Masks protect others from your droplets.
If everyone wears masks it helps reduce the amount of droplets and spread of the virus.
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If you are at risk, are you not wearing a mask in public?
I do not think I am at risk but I always wear a mask in public because I'm not an a-hole.
It is really not that difficult to comprehend. It appears you just have your heels dug in and want to be an a-hole about this situation.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:01 pm to Centinel
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If you're at risk getting it, why are you not wearing a mask?
I am.
Why aren’t you.
I am saying everyone should wear a mask in when they’re in places of public interaction.
Why do you think you aren’t at risk of getting it?
This post was edited on 6/30/20 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Why aren’t you.
Masks are for pussies and soyboys bro.
He is too manly for that sissy shite.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:03 pm to jclem11
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It has been explained a million times. Masks protect others from your droplets.
And if those others are at risk from the virus, why are they not wearing masks?
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If everyone wears masks it helps reduce the amount of droplets and spread of the virus.
Your premise hinges on the fact we don't want the virus to spread through the healthy population.
Your premise is wrong.
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It appears you just have your heels dug in and want to be an a-hole about this situation.
No, I just don't believe in pointless gestures to assuage your feelings.
a-hole.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:03 pm to jclem11
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It has been explained a million times. Masks protect others from your droplets.
My 8 year old knows to cover his mouth when he coughs or sneezes and to wash his arms or hands right after. He knows not to get into people’s faces when he talks to them. Yet we have grown adults that have to wear a mask to prevent virus spread. Y’all are fricking nasty
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:05 pm to DeCat ODahouse
Exactly. They are meant be disposed off after you leave the store. NO ONE is doing this.
They are also not washing masks daily.
The whole idea is failed and stupid.
They are also not washing masks daily.
The whole idea is failed and stupid.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:05 pm to SammyTiger
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Why aren’t you.
I'm not at risk.
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Why do you think you aren’t at risk of getting it?
Because I've already been exposed over two months ago and had zero symptoms. And even if I hadn't been exposed I'm in good health, under the age of sixty, with zero comorbidities so this virus means nothing to me.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 2:08 pm to Centinel
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And if those others are at risk from the virus, why are they not wearing masks?
Holy shite you are one dense motherfricker. The guidance is for everyone to wear a mask. Every single person should wear a mask.
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Your premise hinges on the fact we don't want the virus to spread through the healthy population.
Your premise is wrong.
This is not but gibberish to make you feel better.
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No, I just don't believe in pointless gestures to assuage your feelings.
We get it chief. You are just an a-hole whose feelings are hurt because he is being asked to wear a mask when in public. Amazin.
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