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re: Idaho Murders Thread (Links inside)
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:27 am to UpToPar
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:27 am to UpToPar
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It's interesting he would exit the kitchen sliding door instead of the first floor door given the first floor door is the most direct route to his car. I understand entering from the kitchen sliding door given it was open but once inside your not having to pick any locks to exit the home.
If he knew his targets were on the third floor and that there were other roommates on the first floor, he may have been trying to avoid alerting the other roommates as much as possible.
Also, it's pretty simple. Go out the way you came in. Less risky that way. You already know how to get out, you know the doors open, you know exactly how to get to your car.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:27 am to BeYou
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the first floor door is the most direct route to his car. I
Not necessarily. His car was seen at 500 Queen road. He definitely could have parked on the back side. Near that blue vehicle area.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:30 am to Sherman Klump
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Also, it's pretty simple. Go out the way you came in. Less risky that way. You already know how to get out, you know the doors open, you know exactly how to get to your car.
Yep, go with what you know.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:33 am to UpToPar
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If he knew his targets were on the third floor and that there were other roommates on the first floor, he may have been trying to avoid alerting the other roommates as much as possible.
Good point.
He had to have been in a hurry and had tunnel vision to not see Dylan or he just simply did not care that she saw him (seems harder to believe given the attempts to conceal his location?). The cracked door theory makes sense but she was able to see enough of him to describe his eyebrows, so seems to me the door was more than cracked.
Someone posted the layout of the home earlier - this was extremely helpful to me to understand the scene.
LINK
Lot's of great posts in this thread (lot's of bad posts too baldona). Appreciate everyone's contribution - will mostly continue to lurk as I don't know the case as well as others on here.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:34 am to NATidefan
Weird to see the house blurred out on Google Street View
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:34 am to tigerinthebueche
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And there's no mention of what the survivor described, right? So maybe she saw a all kinds of gore. But we dont know those details yet? Or do we?
We don't. And there is a gag order meaning we won't hear about their experiences until the trial gets underway or even after the trial concludes.
I think it's fair to speculate that the surviving roommate endured some sort of mental incapacitation, which could be explained by:
- fear of what she might discover if she checked on her roommates;
- a state of inebriation that left her confused about what she heard/saw;
- a feeling that the person she encountered didn't warrant serious alarm;
- a feeling of not wanting to be the roommate that calls the police over something small;
or a mix of all the above.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:37 am to UpToPar
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tracked it throughout the house.
Footprint found near Dylan’s room as he exited.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:39 am to BeYou
I think a few things related to him not harming Dylan.... He knew he had already been in the house longer than he planned originally and every minute puts him more at risk. He was also likely extremely exhausted from killing 4 people and she wasn't posing a threat to him. He was ready to gtfo. It was already nearly 4:30am and the longer he was out the chance more people could see him on the roads increases.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:42 am to BeYou
quote:I think the police believed he parked in the back of the house with easy access to the 2nd floor sliding glass door.
It's interesting he would exit the kitchen sliding door instead of the first floor door given the first floor door is the most direct route to his car.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:42 am to geauxjo
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Footprint found near Dylan’s room as he exited.
Right, but the affidavit describes it as a "latent footprint" found during the second round of processing the crime scene using Amino Black. All this suggests to me that it was not obvious.
At the very least, he would have had blood on his hands which would have been transferred to door handles and anything else he touched.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:43 am to Bluefin
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but her lack of awareness for whatever reason probably saved her life, and she’ll have that to fall back on.
Unfortunate as it may be, if her recollection of events is even remotely accurate, she will not avoid some feelings of remorse or prevent others from stereotyping her mental capacities
Unfortunate as it may be, if her recollection of events is even remotely accurate, she will not avoid some feelings of remorse or prevent others from stereotyping her mental capacities
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:47 am to BeYou
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The cracked door theory makes sense but she was able to see enough of him to describe his eyebrows, so seems to me the door was more than cracked.
Also, the door opens from the stair side, so if it was cracked she wouldn’t be able to see that direction unless she peeked her head out.
She’ MIGHT be able to see into part of the kitchen and into the living room by cracking the door.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:47 am to UpToPar
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Right, but the affidavit describes it as a "latent footprint" found during the second round of processing the crime scene using Amino Black. All this suggests to me that it was not obvious. At the very least, he would have had blood on his hands which would have been transferred to door handles and anything else he touched.
Absolutely correct. I read a LE official with knowledge of these type cases said the affidavit contained about 10% of the evidence they have. Just enough to get an arrest warrant. Will be interesting for sure.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:52 am to Tiger Ryno
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I think a few things related to him not harming Dylan.... He knew he had already been in the house longer than he planned originally and every minute puts him more at risk. He was also likely extremely exhausted from killing 4 people and she wasn't posing a threat to him. He was ready to gtfo. It was already nearly 4:30am and the longer he was out the chance more people could see him on the roads increases.
Yea good points.
I was just thinking that if he tried to cover his tracks of committing murder (turned off his phone, dressed in black, wore a mask, staked out the house, etc.) then why when confronted with a potential witness just decide to let them live and hope they can't ID you? Your reasons above do make some sense and in totality provide a plausible explanation.
We are likely talking about someone with mental health issues (somewhere on the spectrum) though so he is likely seeing and thinking about things in a completely different context than I could ever think about.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:52 am to baldona
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How am I trolling? Sorry not sorry for offering very valid ulterior options.
If you're not trolling, then you must be pretty dumb.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:03 am to HYDRebs
This is VERY helpful. Thx for posting. After using this, i am almost totally convinced he did not see DM.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:05 am to geauxjo
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I read a LE official with knowledge of these type cases said the affidavit contained about 10% of the evidence they have.
Which is crazy because there's enough in the affidavit to convince anyone, well besides the village idiot Baldona, that he is guilty as hell.
There is more evidence known that points at Bryan than there have been in other murder cases period.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:05 am to berrycajun
He was seen putting trash in his parents’ neighbors bins in middle of the night. LE has it.
Also he cleaned his car
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html
Also he cleaned his car
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html
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In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source. At that point, agents recovered garbage from the Kohberger family's trash bins and what was observed being placed into the neighbors' bins, the source said. The recovered items were sent to the Idaho State Lab, per the source.
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The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended.
This post was edited on 1/6/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:08 am to BeYou
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then why when confronted with a potential witness just decide to let them live and hope they can't ID you?
She may have had her door opened, and was standing behind it, kind of standing still in a shadow. At night, movement catches your eye more than one more shadowy thing in a group of them.
It could also be that he had kilt the one, or ones, that had pissed him off, plus some more that just happened to be in the way. He may not have enjoyed it like he thought he would, and just wanted to GTFO.
I did say days ago that the information dump would raise questions that the gag order would stop being answered. The amount of people here, digging their feet in, saying my questions have not been answered to my satisfaction, so none of it is true, is amazing.
At this point, the LEO's have proven that they did a good job. We also know there is more to come out later. If this is not satisfactory, call the Detective who penned the affidavit. He knows more than is in there, and would surely love chatting with some booger eating moron from the plains.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 10:10 am to berrycajun
This guy is a really dumb criminal. Amazing how sloppy he was for a crime that was very premeditated.
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