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Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:10 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Yea that doesnt add up... but possibly she could've been intoxicated...also if it was a party house then drugs could've been lying around and she didnt want invite police there if her friends were just partying or screwing in their room.
Whatever her reasoning is, she has satisfied LEO's questions and was one of the first people cleared publicly.
She has satisfied multiple investigators, but many here keep speculating of her involvement. Why?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:11 pm to Dorito
I’ll admit it, my mind immediately jumped to a sweater type mask until just now when i reread it and saw covered mouth and nose, then i realized it was a Covid mask
My bad
This changes things a little
My bad
This changes things a little
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:11 pm to baldona
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You are making things up as much as I am to fit your narrative. We don't know.
I'm not making anything up. It's in the affidavit.
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We know the roomate that survived heard a lot and went out of her room 3 times. To me, that means she was likely awake. Likely drunk, listening to music, and on social media.
I don't think you've read the affidavit at all. The witness clearly says that she was asleep before being woken up by a noise at approximately 4:00am. It also says that all other occupants were in their room by 4:00am, so this idea that they were all up partying is unfounded. They may have been awake, but Kaylee and Madison were in bed in Kaylee's room on their phones and Xana and Ethan were in Xana's room.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:13 pm to berrycajun
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D.M. stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a male figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5' I 0" or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back sliding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her bedroom after seeing the male.
A lot of people are focusing on why she didn't call 911, but I think I'm more interested in why didn't he attack her? Did she not truly open the door, but rather cracked it, and he just didn't see her? I kind of have a hard time believing that she was able to make out the bushy eyebrows through a cracked door, especially if she was frozen in shock. It reads more as she completely opened the door.
So having to assume he saw her as well, why did he just walk past her? Did something spook him? Was there a target and once he accomplished that he left survivors? Did he simply just kill the other 4 and didn't want to commit a 5th?
I think it's all super interesting.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I can almost understand her not calling the police, but at least she could have called or texted her roommates to see if they were okay?
Might have to factor in states of inebriation.
Also, he is speculating and would have no knowledge of who texted what, when, or if she did or didn't. He is assuming she didn't, and that it is odd that he has not received a text from her explaining her actions, or lack thereof, that night.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:14 pm to Hangit
I don’t think she’s involved. Just trying to understand what happened between 4am and noon
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:14 pm to berrycajun
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need the definition of this. frozen shocked as in too scared to move? or just surprised to see someone in here but didn't really think anything of it. So I locked my door and passed out/went to sleep.
I agree it wouldn't be alarming to see strangers in a party house at that point in life. College kids aren't near as cautious as you become post college.
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s she stood in a "frozen shock phase."
need the definition of this. frozen shocked as in too scared to move? or just surprised to see someone in here but didn't really think anything of it. So I locked my door and passed out/went to sleep.
I agree it wouldn't be alarming to see strangers in a party house at that point in life. College kids aren't near as cautious as you become post college.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:17 pm to Hangit
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she has satisfied LEO's questions and was one of the first people cleared publicly.
She has satisfied multiple investigators, but many here keep speculating of her involvement. Why?
you do realize that sometimes people who are eventually found guilty are initially cleared? I aint saying shes involved but its hard to fathom she just went to sleep. Not unbeliveable- just hard to understand.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:19 pm to tigerinthebueche
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need the definition of this. frozen shocked as in too scared to move? or just surprised to see someone in here but didn't really think anything of it. So I locked my door and passed out/went to sleep.
Yeah, I'm the same way. Hard to tell what was actually going through her mind exactly by what the affidavit says.
I lean towards the surprised and went back to sleep viewpoint.
I can't imagine her sitting in her room terrified for 6 or 7 hours and not calling anyone.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:21 pm to Dorito
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Let's stop pretending the roommate wasn't disturbed by what she saw and heard. She told the officer she was "frozen and shocked" after seeing the masked person. We know her state of mind. It wasn't simply "Oh it was probably just another partier wearing a COVID mask."
Two people can see the same thing and have completely different reactions. To see a random guy in your house and be "frozen and shocked" can mean that you're surprised and caught off guard, so you lock your door because it was out of the norm. But you're drunk and tired so you're like "whatever, that was weird" and you pass out.
Or you can be "frozen and shocked" out of fear, lock your door and call the police.
I can't tell you how many times I called the serial killer tip line back in the early 2000s. And I was the only one of my 3 roommates who was like that. The 3 others would maybe get startled by something from time to time, but they would always blow it off and none of them were ever the type to call the police. I would call 911 at the drop of a hat.
Without seeing the full text or a video of her interview, we don't know if she was fearful and accidentally fell alseep or if she was startled, chalked it up to an overreaction and then went to sleep.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:23 pm to NATidefan
if and when he ever details the murders will go a long way in helping me visualize how this played out.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:26 pm to CP3forMVP
Whose bedroom is this circled in green?
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:27 pm to Dorito
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Let's stop pretending the roommate wasn't disturbed by what she saw and heard. She told the officer she was "frozen and shocked" after seeing the masked person. We know her state of mind. It wasn't simply "Oh it was probably just another partier wearing a COVID mask."
This of course doesn't mean the roommate was ac accomplice in the murders. But to act like she was reasonable in going back to sleep, simply because it was a party house, doesn't match up with what she told the officer
I doubt it was first person she has seen leaving late that she didn’t know. Outside of people coming and going she was possibly drunk or doing something else that night and not in a great state of mind. Without seeing blood and also with the guy leaving and walking by her & leaving her alone along with state of mind she may have not wanted to over react and call cops for someone who left in a mask (don’t know how prevalent Covid masking wearing is there) and some crying. They had some run ins with police (landlord may have been contacted at some point as well), and calling them if unsure of danger would be inviting them to come in and search it (whatever is legal in situation but I guess whatever is out in open in rooms is fair game).
Trying to think like someone inebriated and wanting to avoid police searching house - Maybe fearful enough to not check further before falling back asleep without any additional noise but not enough to override the possible harm of inviting cops to come in and search house.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:28 pm to berrycajun
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I don’t think she’s involved. Just trying to understand what happened between 4am and noon
Same here.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:29 pm to berrycajun
That would be Dylan's. DM'S.
Before the affadvit everyone though she was on the first floor, but apparently not.
Before the affadvit everyone though she was on the first floor, but apparently not.
This post was edited on 1/5/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:33 pm to NATidefan
I see alot of comments stating how stupid he was with his education knowledge. There is a world of difference between book smart and street smart. Imo, his classes were feeding his dark side for awhile but he became a human pressure cooker and when he finally did act he went into a frenzy because he was no longer trying to control his urges.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:36 pm to Dorito
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She told the officer she was "frozen and shocked" after seeing the masked person
She's remembering in retrospect.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:36 pm to jchamil
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I think the girl was scared and in shock and confused.
Had to have been drunk/high as well and not thinking clearly about calling for help, unless maybe she thought calling 911 would allow him to hear her and locate her position
Maybe you haven't imagined this scenario a million times in your head, but I have. When I was a kid, teen, young adult, I was always terrified that someone would break in and murder people in my house and I'd hear them. My plan was always to lay still in my bed basically forever, so they'd think I was asleep. I'm guessing she locked herself in her room, lay down with her phone and made no noise at all. I would have been terrified to use my phone and actually talk with someone. That could have attracted the killer. LMAO! I'm old now, but I remember thinking this way very clearly. I thought this often. I don't think it's an unusual thought for young women. If she was pretty drunk, it's likely she laid down and finally fell asleep/passed out, while being scared. When she woke up, she called a friend because she couldn't remember right away if it was real or a dream, etc.
I don't think it's crazy she didn't call. She had no idea he had murdered her friends.
Posted on 1/5/23 at 2:44 pm to Hangit
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Whatever her reasoning is, she has satisfied LEO's questions and was one of the first people cleared publicly. She has satisfied multiple investigators, but many here keep speculating of her involvement. Why?
Because it’s odd she heard dog barking and commotion upstairs (and roommate say someone is here) then saw a stranger dressed in all black and a mask slip out the sliding glass door. It concerned her enough to say she was “frozen in fear” and she locked herself in her room. But, police weren’t called for 6+ hours.
It’s definitely odd. I’m not saying she’s involved, but it would be interesting to understand more about her story here that lead to her being cleared. If it goes to trial defendant’s lawyer will certainly try and hurt her credibility on this, so it will be interesting to know the why here.
We just don’t know all the facts yet. It could be she was black out drunk and told police look, i barely remember anything, but I have these vague memories through my drunken stupor.
It could be that she was dead sober but had lost her cell phone, left it in her car, or didn’t have it in her room for some reason. Her phone may have been dead and her charger was elsewhere. Not having her phone and being scared could make you sit there for 6 hours.
These are college kids and their lives are messy. Doesn’t mean she’s guilty. But, without more details (which we may learn if the case goes to trial), it is odd she didn’t call 911 for 6+ hours. People are just struggling to understand that.
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