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re: I wonder if Alec Baldwin's gun was loaded by a malicious union crew striker
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:06 am to Scoob
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:06 am to Scoob
quote:Quit making sense. My fellow "conservatives" have to lash out like the Left these days.
On the other hand, I step back a bit, and understand that an actor being handed a prop on a movie set, does NOT expect that prop to be an actual loaded weapon; does not think that's anywhere near the realm of possibility
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:06 am to Geekboy
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Why in the hell would there be ‘target practice’ on a movie set with ammo for ANY reason? That’s totally insane!
They're working long days in the desert with nothing to do....good way to kill some time. It wasn't "on set", they were out shooting guns from the armory during their downtime. Sounds like some idiot didn't clear their weapon before putting it back on set.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:10 am to mmmmmbeeer
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They're working long days in the desert with nothing to do....good way to kill some time. It wasn't "on set", they were out shooting guns from the armory during their downtime. Sounds like some idiot didn't clear their weapon before putting it back on set.
a good producer would’ve never let that happen on their set.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:10 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:Surprise. Sounds like you're making g excuses. No way should anything like that go on, despite the idea there was "nothing to do."
They're working long days in the desert with nothing to do....good way to kill some time. It wasn't "on set", they were out shooting guns from the armory during their downtime. Sounds like some idiot didn't clear their weapon before putting it back on set
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:11 am to Jake88
quote:
Quit making sense. My fellow "conservatives" have to lash out like the Left these days.
You seem to be missing the point, just like progressives.
Baldwin was the man in charge, it was a shoddy operation. Its HIS responsibility.
Of course him being a huge star has no bearing on your beliefs.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 7:12 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:12 am to Klark Kent
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a good producer would’ve never let that happen on their set.
THousands of shitty ones never did.
You can't break protocols and escape blame.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:13 am to jimmyb1234
Why assume malice when incompetence fits so well.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:17 am to Rougarou4lsu
quote:
Why assume malice when incompetence fits so well.
Yeah, this is more incompetence and negligence than malice.
I don't believe in any way Baldwin meant to kill her. He just took too many shortcuts.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Baldwin was the man in charge, it was a shoddy operation. Its HIS responsibility.
It might be his responsibility as a producer for hiring inexperience, I haven't denied that. But this idea that he is to check every gun he is handed as if he is out shooting alone on a range is not likely something any actor does on a movie set where people are hired specifically for that job.
quote:This would be funny if you knew me. I don't watch movies. I despise celebrity culture and the public's worship of vacuous, self-important clowns. Baldwin is at the top when it comes to useless and completely forgettable. A person who, ultimately, has contributed little to society and those around him.
Of course him being a huge star has no bearing on your beliefs
But, I can remain objective.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:19 am to Scoob
quote:
On the other hand, I step back a bit, and understand that an actor being handed a prop on a movie set, does NOT expect that prop to be an actual loaded weapon; does not think that's anywhere near the realm of possibility.
I place zero blame on Alec Baldwin the actor.
I place a shite ton of blame on Alec Baldwin the executive producer.
After ONE negligent discharges he should’ve made sure that crew were replaced and appropriate safety protocols were followed.
After 4 negligent discharges, 1 injury and 1 dead everyone in power on that set is culpable.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:26 am to CottonWasKing
If baldwin was performing this scene with his own daughter do you think he would have personally inspected the gun before firing? Oh wait....
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:33 am to Smeg
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Easy answer. Crew members were also using the guns with live rounds for "target practice". This is documented.
Why would they ever allow the same guns used for "target practice" to be taken onto the set? There should be a hardline separating any guns used with live rounds from coming onto a set where guns will also be used as props.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:34 am to Geekboy
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Why in the hell would there be ‘target practice’ on a movie set with ammo for ANY reason? That’s totally insane!
Well at least one of the gun prop people looked like a 16 year old girl. Always known to be reliable and on top of important, potentially dangerous, activities.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:40 am to Jake88
quote:
every gun he is handed as if he is out shooting alone on a range is not likely something any actor does
You would be wrong, and have never taken a gun safety class.
After previous incidents, do you think it would have been prudent to check before aiming at someone? (Which is against protocol)
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
It is a movie with people hired to handle this. Do you think even half the actors who handle guns in films check them themselves?
quote:This is a good point. What was the nature of those misfires?
After previous incidents, do you think it would have been prudent to check before aiming at someone?
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 7:55 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:57 am to jimmyb1234
quote:
wonder if Alec Baldwin's gun was loaded by a malicious union crew striker
It shouldn’t matter.
The weapon should have been checked before being handed to Baldwin and rechecked again by Baldwin.
Since it’s a Western, it was probably an old revolver. Who doesn’t see a round in the next cylinder? Everyone?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:59 am to Scoob
quote:
On the other hand, I step back a bit, and understand that an actor being handed a prop on a movie set, does NOT expect that prop to be an actual loaded weapon; does not think that's anywhere near the realm of possibility.
I have seen people just completely ignore this sentiment and don't really understand how.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:01 am to Blutarsky
quote:there should be a round in the cylinder
Who doesn’t see a round in the next cylinder? Everyone?
just not a live one
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 8:02 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:03 am to meauxses
quote:
I have seen people just completely ignore this sentiment and don't really understand how.
Because there were previous issues of loaded guns fired on this very set, when they were supposed to be blanks.
It becomes a responsibility if youre having issues with improperly loaded firearms. Extra safety precautions should be taken.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:06 am to Scoob
Low rent production
Armorer who is incompetent at her job and lied in the interview by her own admission
Assistant Director with a history of unsafety with stunts and firearms who has gotten fired over it before.
And the set had at least two firing incidents before this which was the subject of the strike by much of the crew.
I hate Baldwin as a person but chalking it up to conspiracy for or against him when incompetence by everyone involved is likely horrible at their jobs is a bit much.
Armorer who is incompetent at her job and lied in the interview by her own admission
Assistant Director with a history of unsafety with stunts and firearms who has gotten fired over it before.
And the set had at least two firing incidents before this which was the subject of the strike by much of the crew.
I hate Baldwin as a person but chalking it up to conspiracy for or against him when incompetence by everyone involved is likely horrible at their jobs is a bit much.
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