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re: I Refused To Help a Sr Manager from Another Department
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:52 am to JiminyCricket
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:52 am to JiminyCricket
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You seem bitter. Why so bitter?
Sounds like someone didn't get the finance job they applied for and is feeling sour about it.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:52 am to Tridentds
I was much more tactful, and did answer some questions. But they wanted me to do like two days of work. New Sr Manager has experience this work, but this is the first time that she's in charge of it. I was in charge of this until I moved to Supply Chain/Operations.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:53 am to littleavery1948
ABH
Always. Be. Helping. Especially when coming from a job title that starts with chief.
Always. Be. Helping. Especially when coming from a job title that starts with chief.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:55 am to littleavery1948
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But they wanted me to do like two days of work.
Be more descriptive here. They wanted you to actually do the work or they wanted you to assist the new hire as she did the work? There's a difference. A two day shadow to catch the new girl up to speed isn't that bad but actually doing the work for her fixes nothing moving forward.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:56 am to littleavery1948
Well, good luck.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:57 am to littleavery1948
Are you being asked to do extra work outside your normal work hours? If so are they compensating you accordingly?
If not are you expected to perform double duties which would cause your normal work to suffer or for you to work through lunch, breaks, not be able to take off normal vacation or otherwise negatively impact your job?
If you answered No to both of these then you should help wherever they ask you to. You employer is paying you to work, unless you have a specific contract that entails whatever they give you.
You have the right to leave the company or negotiate a higher wage, but refusing to work during normal hours because “I no longer work there” isn’t professional and will eventually get you replaced.
If not are you expected to perform double duties which would cause your normal work to suffer or for you to work through lunch, breaks, not be able to take off normal vacation or otherwise negatively impact your job?
If you answered No to both of these then you should help wherever they ask you to. You employer is paying you to work, unless you have a specific contract that entails whatever they give you.
You have the right to leave the company or negotiate a higher wage, but refusing to work during normal hours because “I no longer work there” isn’t professional and will eventually get you replaced.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:00 am to JiminyCricket
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Be more descriptive here. They wanted you to actually do the work or they wanted you to assist the new hire as she did the work? There's a difference. A two day shadow to catch the new girl up to speed isn't that bad but actually doing the work for her fixes nothing moving forward.
They wanted me to do the full P&L and GM analysis for three out of the four regions that we have. She has experience in this, so it's not like she's new. I helped with the Balance sheet portion of the forecast. I think my fear is that they will continue asking me for help.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:02 am to littleavery1948
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They wanted me to do the full P&L and GM analysis for three out of the four regions that we have. She has experience in this, so it's not like she's new.
I don't understand the logic, if this is truly the case, of having you do the work for her. Shadowing to get her feet under her and make sure the work is formatted properly, etc. is one thing but I don't see how you doing the work helps her get comfortable in the new role. What was the reasoning for asking you to do it?
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I helped with the Balance sheet portion of the forecast. I think my fear is that they will continue asking me for help.
This is a different conversation entirely if it becomes an on-going thing.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:02 am to littleavery1948
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But they wanted me to do like two days of work.
THE HORROR
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:02 am to littleavery1948
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They wanted me to do the full P&L and GM analysis for three out of the four regions that we have
That’s a completely unreasonable ask and was my suspicion.
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think my fear is that they will continue asking me for help.
Valid because from the sound of things, they 100% would.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:04 am to JiminyCricket
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I don't see how you doing the work helps her get comfortable in the new role
Incompetence and complacency. The CFO doesn’t care as long as the job gets done, doesn’t care who does it. Which is why the department has three people in it now that can’t do this task.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:05 am to littleavery1948
I would have been gracious and said I am happy to help. I would have told the new Sr Fin Mgr to meet me in the office this coming Saturday starting at 7am. I can give you from 7am - 9am only this Saturday. If the new Sr Fin Mgr had any issue with that, I would have told the CFO they hired the wrong person for the job.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:07 am to littleavery1948
Have you discussed this issue with your best friend Jerry “The King” Bawler at all? I’m sure he could assist along with Judge & Dong talk.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:07 am to littleavery1948
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They wanted me to do the full P&L and GM analysis for three out of the four regions that we have. She has experience in this, so it's not like she's new. I helped with the Balance sheet portion of the forecast. I think my fear is that they will continue asking me for help.
This just seems like an excellent opportunity to have these reports formatted to your liking. Operations and finance do actually communicate, and this person is clearly interested in learning and doing it the right way. It seems like a win-win for everyone.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:08 am to littleavery1948
You have a nice white collar job which is becoming a rarity nowadays....and you are complaining about it.
You know who wouldnt complain....AI
You know who wouldnt complain....AI
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:09 am to scottydoesntknow
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You know who wouldnt complain....AI
AI would probably have been able to do the P&L’s and this entire issue would never have been brought up
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:11 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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AI would probably have been able to do the P&L’s
In about 2.5 seconds.
So what exactly do you do, here, Peter?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:15 am to Baers Foot
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ABH
Always. Be. Helping. Especially when coming from a job title that starts with chief.
This CFO sounds out of her league. She's seeking help from outside her own department for a project that is only related to her own department. This means she either isn't competent enough to do it herself and/or isn't capable enough to hire the right people for the job. Helping someone like that can actually be a huge negative for you. It's not good to be seen as "in the corner" of someone who can't do her job.
There are only three end results here:
1. Everyone at the C-level is incompetent, and therefore they overlook the CFO's incompetence. In this scenario, finding another job is necessary.
2. Everyone else at the C-level knows this CFO is incompetent, and the OP being tied to this person can only reflect poorly on the OP because perception is everything. This would only be detrimental to OP long-term and would result in a job search eventually being necessary.
3. This is actually a one off situation where the CFO actually needs help. In this scenario, a competent CFO would do what I said and approach the previous senior finance manager to consult on this project and pay that person whatever he/she wants to make that happen. Maybe that did happen and the senior manager said no, but I doubt it.
I imagine the CFO is incompetent and does not want to admit that her incompetence led to the previous senior manager getting burned out and leaving/retiring, which is why she doesn't want to approach that person to consult on this project.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:16 am to littleavery1948
You don't sound like a team player.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:17 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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AI would probably have been able to do the P&L’s and this entire issue would never have been brought up
Eh...in my experience, AI is not great at this yet.
AI is an okay tool for searching accounting/auditing guidance and preparing draft documents that are narrative, but you need to thoroughly check all sources to the point that it's almost quicker to just do it yourself.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 10:55 am
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