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Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:36 pm to GumboPot
Real life insurance cost i dealt with this year
We have 2 21ft flat bed trucks with 10,000lb max capacity... 4hr round trip max haul, 3 days a week
Zero incidents or tickets, 360 degree cameras, AI drivers tools, and GPS speed limited
$44,000/year for both trucks combined
Cost of the trucks when purchased (used with full maintenance records) 2 years ago, $42,000
So, in theory, these trucks can be totaled and the insurance company will still make $2,000
The market is nuts
We have 2 21ft flat bed trucks with 10,000lb max capacity... 4hr round trip max haul, 3 days a week
Zero incidents or tickets, 360 degree cameras, AI drivers tools, and GPS speed limited
$44,000/year for both trucks combined
Cost of the trucks when purchased (used with full maintenance records) 2 years ago, $42,000
So, in theory, these trucks can be totaled and the insurance company will still make $2,000
The market is nuts
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:42 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Cost of the trucks when purchased (used with full maintenance records) 2 years ago, $42,000
Is that $42,000 for both trucks?
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:45 pm to Turnblad85
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the bottom half of society have fricking terrible jobs.
It's probably more like the bottom 65%
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:49 pm to Powerman
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It's probably more like the bottom 65%
yeah I kept it conservative.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:51 pm to GumboPot
For those of you screaming about the slavery bit, read this: There are three different types of truckers - company drivers, owner operators, and lease purchase. Lease purchase is what this guys is talking about, the starter companies hook people into these terrible contracts in exchange for training and a job
Lease purchase trucking is a scam, plain and simple. There's no such thing as a driver friendly lease, its all designed to rip you off. One of the best things that my trainer at KLLM did for me was to preach daily not to fall for this trap. Companies push this nonsense on their drivers so they're not liable for anything and get nothing but profit from the drivers work. Near the end of the lease the companies try to bankrupt the driver in order to repo the truck from the driver and sell it as a used truck. Again, nothing but profit because the driver was paying the notes the entire time.
The problem with this industry is all the scumbag companies hold the keys to the industry as they're the ones providing "free" training to entice the poor into their scams. There are community colleges and specialty schools like DDA and Coastal, but they too push their graduates to these scammy companies like KLLM, Prime, Werner, etc in order to go get their experience all because those companies pay the schools to get their recruiting brochures in front of the people who don't know any better.
I lucked out - I went to work for KLLM but didn't sign a lease purchase contract because of my trainer. I've been a company driver my entire career, but I've seen what those contracts can do to the average joe trying to get ahead in life. KLLM tried bankrupting me as a company driver before I quit - they weren't giving me any work to do once I left the house hoping that I'd get desperate for money to sign their contract. I instead went to work for a different company that didn't offer such scams. It really is one of the worst things about trucking right now and no politicians want to do anything about it because $$$$.
Lease purchase trucking is a scam, plain and simple. There's no such thing as a driver friendly lease, its all designed to rip you off. One of the best things that my trainer at KLLM did for me was to preach daily not to fall for this trap. Companies push this nonsense on their drivers so they're not liable for anything and get nothing but profit from the drivers work. Near the end of the lease the companies try to bankrupt the driver in order to repo the truck from the driver and sell it as a used truck. Again, nothing but profit because the driver was paying the notes the entire time.
The problem with this industry is all the scumbag companies hold the keys to the industry as they're the ones providing "free" training to entice the poor into their scams. There are community colleges and specialty schools like DDA and Coastal, but they too push their graduates to these scammy companies like KLLM, Prime, Werner, etc in order to go get their experience all because those companies pay the schools to get their recruiting brochures in front of the people who don't know any better.
I lucked out - I went to work for KLLM but didn't sign a lease purchase contract because of my trainer. I've been a company driver my entire career, but I've seen what those contracts can do to the average joe trying to get ahead in life. KLLM tried bankrupting me as a company driver before I quit - they weren't giving me any work to do once I left the house hoping that I'd get desperate for money to sign their contract. I instead went to work for a different company that didn't offer such scams. It really is one of the worst things about trucking right now and no politicians want to do anything about it because $$$$.
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:54 pm to GumboPot
I work in the industry. The average driver who completes our program starts out around 92k a year. Home on weekends. The problem is they don’t like being company drivers. They get involved with predatory leasing
Companies. They chose to run this way instead of being financially literate. Don’t feel sorry for them. Most drivers that have been with us 5 years make 100k+ with full benefits and 6% 401k match.
Companies. They chose to run this way instead of being financially literate. Don’t feel sorry for them. Most drivers that have been with us 5 years make 100k+ with full benefits and 6% 401k match.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 2:56 pm to Clea
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Slaves? That's funny every trucker chooses their profession.

Posted on 6/7/25 at 3:06 pm to GumboPot
Truckers can make bank and see the country
Posted on 6/7/25 at 3:40 pm to Recovered
What is the name of your program?
AFAF
AFAF
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:52 pm to TigerBait1971
What is AFAF you are welcome to give me an email I’ll give you any info you want.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:55 pm to Recovered
AFAF = Asking For A Friend
He's a good dude but I'm not putting my email out here for him, lol. I'll find out if he has a burner account if you can't give some whatish vague clues as to your outfit. Thanks.
He's a good dude but I'm not putting my email out here for him, lol. I'll find out if he has a burner account if you can't give some whatish vague clues as to your outfit. Thanks.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:08 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Are you hauling for hire?
Crossing state lines?
Hot shot?
Just a DOT or MC number?
That is high for trucking especially for size of trucks and clean loss history.
New venture truckers typically are less than that in an intermediate radius.
Crossing state lines?
Hot shot?
Just a DOT or MC number?
That is high for trucking especially for size of trucks and clean loss history.
New venture truckers typically are less than that in an intermediate radius.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:17 pm to GumboPot
There are no professional truck drivers anymore. They are gone. All we have now are foreigners that have gone thru minimal driver training and can’t read English.
My dad, 74, was a professional truck driver. Worked for a few different companies and then was owner operator for many years. I grew up around truck drivers and the ones on the road these days aren’t.
My dad, 74, was a professional truck driver. Worked for a few different companies and then was owner operator for many years. I grew up around truck drivers and the ones on the road these days aren’t.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:43 pm to GumboPot
I was shocked seeing this very same thing in a moving company. I was already paying my full quoted price (which was ridiculous) and had the driver on the Part B end of the move tell me he ALONE was offloading the entire truck unless I paid $350 per laborer.
The laborers on the Part A part of the trip were 2 illegals from Guatemala and I was told they had sticky fingers- watch my purse.
The driver slept a few hours in his cab at the front of my home because he could not afford nor needed the amount of gas required for a spot to park at the truck world stop.
I felt bad for him and gave him pizza and waters. Imagine moving a 3 bdr home by yourself. I had already paid $6000 and did not plan the extra money needed for "labor" nor was I paying it. I presumed the price came with labor.
If I said the moving company, it would shock many. My driver name redacted from VA, had a wife and kids. He told me most drivers on the road have no idea how to drive through the mountains, and all the shifting grades--they are poorly trained.
I also thought every semi I saw on the road was a great driver, paid very well, and spoke on a CB, listened to country music and eased on down the road with ease...
The laborers on the Part A part of the trip were 2 illegals from Guatemala and I was told they had sticky fingers- watch my purse.
The driver slept a few hours in his cab at the front of my home because he could not afford nor needed the amount of gas required for a spot to park at the truck world stop.
I felt bad for him and gave him pizza and waters. Imagine moving a 3 bdr home by yourself. I had already paid $6000 and did not plan the extra money needed for "labor" nor was I paying it. I presumed the price came with labor.
If I said the moving company, it would shock many. My driver name redacted from VA, had a wife and kids. He told me most drivers on the road have no idea how to drive through the mountains, and all the shifting grades--they are poorly trained.
I also thought every semi I saw on the road was a great driver, paid very well, and spoke on a CB, listened to country music and eased on down the road with ease...
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:47 pm to Kingshakabooboo
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They are gone. All we have now are foreigners that have gone thru minimal driver training and can’t read English.
While my sample is a bit small I stop at medium sized truck stop (say 50% larger lot than the Loves in Port Allen) at the interstate exit near my house and the guys I see walking to and from the fuel rack and in and out of the lounge/showers pretty much look like the same demographic of baws I have seen driving trucks my whole life.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 9:59 pm to Kingshakabooboo
quote:TRUTH! right here.
There are no professional truck drivers anymore. They are gone. All we have now are foreigners that have gone thru minimal driver training and can’t read English.
My dad, 74, was a professional truck driver. Worked for a few different companies and then was owner operator for many years. I grew up around truck drivers and the ones on the road these days aren’t.
SEE my last post. I also had a moving company have so many family's stuff on the truck they only drove on Sunday to not have to get weighed. Before it is packed to the hilt the laborers pick the best mattress to sleep while driver in in the AC'ed cab slept with a bed.
All mattresses are wrapped for a fee so they can sleep w/o bed bugs
I also moved overseas, and they will crack your crate and use cushions to sit, take apart games, for dice to play.
IF IN USA use PODS!
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/7/25 at 10:27 pm to GumboPot
Flip flop wearing no English speaking drivers have hurt truck driving wages. Hopefully the upcoming regulations put in by Trump will help.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 11:25 pm to Obtuse1
quote:They’re not. We have completely sold out our truck drivers and our trucking industry at large.
look like the same demographic of baws I have seen driving trucks my whole life.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 11:29 pm to GumboPot
You listen to Candace Owens?
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