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re: I am pretty much sick and tired of millenials' obsession with social justice.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:59 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:59 pm to JudgeHolden
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I think the millenials are far, far better than my generation.
I can agree with this (maybe not the social justice crap though)
But they inherited a shitstorm.
The boomers may have wreaked havoc, but they inherited their ways of doing things from the "greatest generation." Great indeed.
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:59 pm to JudgeHolden
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I don't think that has happened.
I was just trying to throw a little fuel on the fire, it's a complicated issue but imo it isn't helped by everyone trying to align with and define themselves as a fill in the blank, and take the circle the wagons mentality and play the blame game, whatever happened to just getting out there and busting arse to get what you want?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 12:59 pm to Slippy
Please give an example or some context.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:00 pm to JudgeHolden
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I thought you were trying to say none of it was your fault. Whew. Thanks for clearing that up.
Please tell me exactly what is MY fault? What did MBP do specifically? Id love to hear your insightful information on my background.
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Good to see you are finally accepting responsibility.
wonderful deflection btw
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:01 pm to JudgeHolden
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Please illuminate me how the all-but-zero-percent inflation rate you enjoy along with the very, very low interest rates on debt is making your life so much harder than mine was.
What??
You do realize the inflation rate has steadily gone up since 1968 right?
The true value of minimum wage today, is 42% less than it was in 1968.
What we make compared to the cost of living today is pathetic.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:02 pm to JudgeHolden
Did you know that 42% of millenials with college degrees have student loan debt?
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The percentage of millennials with student loan debt is 42%, significantly higher than the 17% of the 20-somethings and 30-somethings in 1989 who had debt. It is also higher than the 35% who had debt in 2007 and the 40% who had debt in 2010. The average student loan debt for Americans 18 to 33 years old was $17,000 in 2013, the most ever. This happened because students are paying more for education than ever before.
As a result of massive student loan debt, limited employment opportunities, and stagnant wages, millennials are “straying from historic patterns,” and that change is “having a negative impact on the wider economy,” according to the BLS. The Atlantic has described millennials as the cheapest generation because a large share has forgone buying houses and cars.
Younger millennials, those who began their job hunts as the economy was recovering, are moving out; Census data show that the share of 18- to 24-year-olds living with their parents dropped in 2014 for the second consecutive year. But by comparison, the share of 25- to 34-year-olds living at home rose.
In 2014, 14.7% of older millennials lived with their parents, the highest share since the government began tracking that figure in 1960. This translates to problems for the U.S. economy, because this key demographic is spending less on big-ticket items. Since World War II, new cars and suburban homes powered the economy.
That millennials appear to have lost interest in purchasing cars and homes is the byproduct of the recession. But here, too, the recession left more than a temporary scar. It seems to have fueled a permanent generational shift in spending habits and tastes, as the Atlantic proposed.
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Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:02 pm to Pkin
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Our generation cares much less about policing others. I'll never understand why the older generations feel entitled to restrict the rights of other groups of people when it doesn't effect them in any way.
Who said anything about restricting rights? They deserve to be ridiculed, not silenced.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Why should they be ridiculed?
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:06 pm to Pkin
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Our generation cares much less about policing others. I'll never understand why the older generations feel entitled to restrict the rights of other groups of people when it doesn't effect them in any way.
Agreed. Except for Free Speech. The Free Speech that is mean to gay people, transgender people, peoples of color and womyn needs to be restricted to guard against micro aggressions and Hate Speech/ Hate Thought. That kind of "right restrictions" ensures that we will achieve Social Justice. If every Incorrect Thinker is allowed to express his thoughts freely, what kind of socially-constructive dialogue will we have? And how will we change Herstory if we have all these Incorrect competing voices?
Forward !
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:07 pm to Lsupimp
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Agreed. Except for Free Speech. The Free Speech that is mean to gay people, transgender people, peoples of color and womyn needs to be restricted to guard against micro aggressions and Hate Speech/ Hate Thought. That kind of "right restrictions" ensures that we will achieve Social Justice. If every Incorrect Thinker is allowed to express his thoughts freely, what kind of socially-constructive dialogue will we have? And how will we change Herstory if we have all these Incorrect competing voices?
you're just trying to trigger me now!
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:07 pm to cas4t
Yep - it's ridiculous how much school costs. 25-30 thousand is the average debt now I believe.
Check this out - slightly outdated but on point. Adjusting for inflation, it costs twice as much to go to a 4 year public university as it did in 76-77 (but boomers had it so much easier). Try starting your work life with that type of burden, only to struggle to find work even with a degree.
Check this out - slightly outdated but on point. Adjusting for inflation, it costs twice as much to go to a 4 year public university as it did in 76-77 (but boomers had it so much easier). Try starting your work life with that type of burden, only to struggle to find work even with a degree.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:14 pm to hi2ulol
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Obviously you are very opinionated. How old are you exactly?
Yep.
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Do you feel like baby boomers as a whole are a better generation than X or Y?
Each has its strengths.
I am in my early fifties. My generation has failed in many respects.
Politically, it has been heedless of the long-term effects of overspending or undertaxing (whichever way you want to look at it). Millenials seems disengaged on this issue. No one wins that one.
Financially, my generation racked up way too much personal debt in our twenties and thirties. Most of us self-corrected. Millenials made the same mistake (with more jusitication) with student loan debt. I think you win that one.
Environmentally, I think my generation allowed some of the dismantling of environmental protections put in during the 70s. And we denied global warming too long. In the long run, I don't think it matters much, because without massive population decreases, our dependence on fossil fuels can't and won't change.
Environmentally (part deux) I think we brought the green revolution to completion. That is a mixed blessing in light of its dependence on fossil fuels, and the inevitable collapse of food security. Your generation seems a lot more tuned in and agile in your thinking on this one.
Academically, I think my generation is far superior. I went to public schools in one of the poorest parishes in Louisiana. But the critical thinking skills I learned there are superior to those taught in many private schools today. We win this one easily. (Your counterpoint might point out that it is a Pyrrhic victory, in that our reasoning skills didn't overcome our political and environmental denial; and you may be right).
Economically, we ushered in globalization. That decreased real prices and made more goods available. It also globalized the job market.
Spiritually, I think we were more hidebound, and impoverished by our inflexibility, than millenials are.
I will readily give millenials credit for a broader and longer term view of the world, as well as for an inherent decency that is more pronounced than that I grew up with. I readily admit that my generation screwed the pooch in many, many ways. I just wish you would stop whining, start thinking (really thinking), roll up your sleeves, and do better than I did.
This is all straight off the top of my head. Give me a little time, and I might come up with a thoughtful answer.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:15 pm to Lsupimp
I'm all for free speech. I don't see how ridiculing someone else's lifestyle benefits anyone. But if that's what makes you feel good, carry on...
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:17 pm to hi2ulol
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Yep - it's ridiculous how much school costs. 25-30 thousand is the average debt now I believe.
Check this out - slightly outdated but on point. Adjusting for inflation, it costs twice as much to go to a 4 year public university as it did in 76-77 (but boomers had it so much easier). Try starting your work life with that type of burden, only to struggle to find work even with a degree.
That's why I dropped out early on. I couldn't afford it and didn't want to incur 30k school loan debt with a HUGE interest rate attached.
I currently make more money than my wife (who has a degree in Marketing and lots more debt) and more money than some of my friends who have degrees.
Degrees don't mean as much as they once did (in certain industries)
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:18 pm to moon
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Degrees don't mean as much as they once did (in certain industries)
Very true. Mixed blessing.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:19 pm to Count Chocula
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whine about there money all the time
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Count Chocula
Good one! You got me. Get a life and post a little more while you're at it.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:22 pm to JudgeHolden
I'll drink to that.
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:22 pm to Pkin
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if that's what makes you feel good, carry on
That's insensitive and violates my personhood. I'm not sure why you are intentionally violating my Right Not To Be Offended. Especially since I identify as Trans Aged and the racist, sexist, ageist, homophobic Social Security office keeps denying my benefits because they claim I am "too young" to qualify. They know nothing of my STRUGGLE ! Which is REAL !
Forward!
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:22 pm to hi2ulol
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it costs twice as much to go to a 4 year public university as it did in 76-77
But money was harder to get. Student loans got cheaper, and costs went up. That much is true.
The real question here is whether the millenials shied away from the harder degrees (engineering and accounting) in favor of Trans-Gender Underwater Basket Weaving Studies, yet expected to get the same bang for the buck.
Your fundamental point is well taken. A degree costs more and (in some fields at least) is worth less.
And genuine kudos to you for supporting the point well. You are a glimmer of hope that all is not lost. Yet.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/15 at 1:24 pm to gamecocks22
Why does gen x always get a free pass? They have become very powerful politically and economically but haven't been of much use.
i get why people hit on baby boomers and millennials, but i think gen x deserves some criticism.
i get why people hit on baby boomers and millennials, but i think gen x deserves some criticism.
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