re: Hypothetical: no power for 6-12 months because of EMP attack

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You don’t think the starving city mob would start heading to the outer areas and overwhelm them

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I don’t think they’d be organized in that way. I think you’d see lots of gangs/groups form in the inner-cities. They’d all be competing for the resources there. Eventually some would start venturing out but it’s not the nature of uncivilized people to miraculously form functioning micro-societies, but the ones that do manage to would probably be less inclined to leave the only areas they have any familiarity with.

Ultimately, the only groups of smart, industrious people that would survive would be the ones that had the ability to defend themselves. I think you’d see alliances form with shared defense “forces”. We’ve seen this throughout history. We have a lot of dead weight on this planet that only exists due to the hard work and charity of others, and the dead weight continues to breed making more dead weight. In the absence of that charity, those people will eat each other. The rest will find a way to survive like they were born to.

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You don’t think the starving city mob would start heading to the outer areas and overwhelm them?

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No idea why people think that some sort of massive mobs will all of a sudden form. Humans that are only out for self interests just really don't work all that well together, and in a state of catastrophe aren't suddenly going work well together.

Sure, a few groups will coalesce and attempt to steal supplies, but at the first hint of resistance will move to easier targets.

The concept of an EMP actually striking the US is so remote, it's astronomical. What it would take:

- a state sanctioned organization that had nuclear bombs.
- a state sanctioned organization with nuclear bombs that wants to attack the US.
-a state sanctioned organization that wants to attack the US so much that they don't care about nuclear retaliation.
- a state sanctioned organization that wants to attack the US, doesn't care about nuclear retaliation. that wants to play the long game exploding a nuclear bomb high in the atmosphere instead of targeting a city such at NYNY or DC.

It's so remote, that it is pointless to even consider it. All that said, if somehow the electricity is off for 6 months, it would be as bad as others have stated.

Good thing I just started reloading again.

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Any car not running during detonation would be fine.

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Not exactly, a more accurate statement would be any car that either does not have the battery connected or those that do not keep a constant hot to any circuits.

I however would certainly have my fleet of older John Deere tractors cruising the farm.

This. While it’s a cool topic to think about(who remembers Jericho on its short run on CBS?), pulling it off would be almost impossible and the effects would be extremely diminished. First, as someone pointed out, it would take a country with nukes. Not just nukes, but ICBM’s capable of reaching upper atmosphere with said nuke. Even though the world is much more dependent on electronics and circuits, many of them are designed in a specific configuration to mitigate the effects of EM interference.

The chance of a decently sized solar flare hitting whatever side of the planet unlucky to be facing sun is more likely, but all of these countermeasures have pretty much been built and designed for this specific incident more so than a EMP attack.

Having said that, a man can pray. As the great
Bill Burr said, “We need a new plague.” A Darwin Super Bowl to knock some population down before it’s a real problem in a few decades

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There is not and will never be an EMP with this type of capability. Anything not running at the time would simply need to restart and be fine for the most part. Also, NO EMP could reach that far and one that might be built in the future big enough to do it, would never get into the middle of our country

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Joe Rogan was hiding out at and survive off of his hunting abilities

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Joe Rogan wouldn't be much help unless you're a guide who cant shoot. I love me some Rogan but he more of a shooter than a hunter. He doesnt believe in keeping spots secret because he has never really had to put in the leg work to find a good spot. His friends show him where to hunt and he just shoots. I'd want to be around his buddy Remi Warren.

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You are definitely being over dramatic, anything not powered will be fine such as all the spare transformers and components sitting in yards and warehouses.

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Anything not plugged in would be more accurate.

I am not claiming the TV trope of it killing everything with a chip aside from it being the scenario the OP suggested.

But I am also not pretending we also have replacement parts to even make a dent of the needed work just sitting in a park. For fricks sake dude, they draw down material reserves from here to New York just to make repairs for hurricanes.

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Also humvees are EMP proof, older diesel pickups will have no problem as well as lots of vehicles produced into the 1980's, its not the doomsday scenario so many make it out to be.

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Similarly I’m not pretending the saving grace will be the massive groundswell of 40 year old cars we apparently have that survived cash for clunkers.

If you want to attack the premise (because you thought I was laying out what I thought an EMP attack would look like rather than answering the OP), a better form of attack would be the fact that as far as vehicle permanent failures go, it is going to be somewhere in the area of 25% or so. Far more cars will be grounded by the unavailability of fuel and repair parts than they will by direct circuit frying.


You know, for the claims of my being over dramatic, you should see what I actually said:

I didn’t say we would have zero tech. I didn’t say we couldn’t get back. I said we would be able to get to a approximate ~1920s-1930s level of quality of life within a few years (with some modern anachronisms) but it would take decades to get back to the disseminated economy we have today where it is sufficient to just have skills in your profession.


And I didn’t say the reason for that was because the task at hand was so big. I said it would take so long because you wouldn’t have the hands to do the task.

US population being set back nearly 200 years is going to need a little more time recovering than a few years.



The funny part about the poeole DVing/disagreeing: nothing I’ve said is my own thoughts and it didn’t come to my attention by some kook website.

It’s all from declassified DoD documents and Congressional panels. Especially liked the person disagreeing that 36 inch power cord/antenna is considered to be the big threshold to build up dangerous voltages (read: that was essentially me saying that in reality, even something as sophisticated as an iPhone would be completely unphased by EMP as long as it’s not plugged in. Cell towers are all going to be dead though).

Some of the material may be outdated, but the most outlandish of my statements is pulled directly from an official assessment of national impact from the past 5 years......