re: Hypothetical: no power for 6-12 months because of EMP attack

Yep, I think that we are getting close to the point where it can be managed. It would still be a clusterfrick for a while, but if we have time to disconnect transmission lines, etc., then it would be manageable.

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ot exactly, a more accurate statement would be any car that either does not have the battery connected or those that do not keep a constant hot to any circuits.

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That is not accurate. Real world EMP testing shows cars not running during an EMP would be fine. From the EMP Commission testing: Of the 55 vehicles exposed to EMP, six at the highest levels of exposure needed to be restarted. A few more showed "nuisance" damage to electronics, such as blinking dashboard displays. None of the cars or trucks that were not running at the time showed any effects from the EMP.

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The intensity of the EMP fields was increased until either anomalous response was observed or simulator limits were reached. The trucks ranged from gasoline-powered pickup trucks to large diesel-powered tractors. Truck vintages ranged from 1991 to 2003. Of the trucks that were not running during EMP exposure, none were subsequently affected during our test. Thirteen of the 18 trucks exhibited a response while running. Most seriously, three of the truck motors stopped. Two could be restarted immediately, but one required towing to a garage for repair. The other 10 trucks that responded exhibited relatively minor temporary responses that did not require driver intervention to correct. Five of the 18 trucks tested did not exhibit any anomalous response up to field strengths of approximately 50 kV/m. Based on these test results, we expect few truck effects at EMP field levels below approximately 12 kV/m. At higher field levels, 70 percent or more of the trucks on the road will manifest some anomalous response following EMP exposure. Approximately 15 percent or more of the trucks will experience engine stall, sometimes with permanent damage that the driver cannot correct. Similar to the case for automobiles, the EMP impact on trucks could trigger vehicle crashes on U.S. highways. As a result, many more vehicles could be damaged than those damaged directly by EMP exposure.

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You don’t think the starving city mob would start heading to the outer areas and overwhelm them?

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Not really.

I mean, I get a lot of what is said, and there's absolutely some truth to it...but I think it's grossly exaggerated. When you say the city mob is coming for the outer areas, how many are you talking? First, I can see the city mob killing themselves from the inside pretty quickly. And by the time they're getting to the outer areas, those outer areas(as I mentioned below) are probably going to have some sort of set up with some sort of watch going and ready for their neighborhoods and communities. I don't think the city mob would get very far to be honest. But more to the point, I don't truly envision angry city mobs going to the suburbs to wreak havoc in every major city just for the sake of killing a bunch of people.

Sure, you could see some rogue Walking Dead type factions who are just a really shitty group looking to destroy all groups around them, but that would be super rare IMO.

You'd definitely get random individuals and small groups doing some really bad things out of shear desperation for sure.

But I don't think there would be widescale huge groups trying to take over other groups by killing them off.


A lot of what I'm saying depends on where you live. Just thinking my situation here in McKinney Tx in DFW. I imagine the neighborhood will come together as a group, and then get together with surrounding neighborhoods to build up the infrastructure of a little old school town to get this little part of civilization back up and going.

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country?

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I guess here and live in the woods somewhere. Bring guns and ammo

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The one scenario where I’d argue otherwise is if it is a long game scenario and they want to use a WMD against the US without it being immediately apparent who was the source.

Throwing a satellite carrying a specially designed nuke and detonating it years later might throw a fair amount of smokescreen on the topic

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Yea that's what I read too. The only way it's a legit threat is if the attacker was able to cover their tracks somehow. But I also read that any bomb big enough to significant EMP damage from that altitude would have to come from USA, China, Russia.

I liked this thread better when we just assumed all electronics were out and not deciding how and whether the attack would take them all out.

If your interested in what life would be like after an EMP, read "One second after". Fictional story, but dead on. The story addresses issues we cant even think of while sitting on computers, kicking around the topic. Very eye opening.

People from the city would learn quickly to stay in the city. More dense resources to be had. I also don't expect them to be able to navigate, so they'll be walking down or near roads.

Hopefully, some police forces and normal people would keep the heathens out of the good part of town

Better get a Honda. If I hear your loud arse Katrina special running, I'm coming for it

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The concept of an EMP actually striking the US is so remote, it's astronomical. What it would take: - a state sanctioned organization that had nuclear bombs. - a state sanctioned organization with nuclear bombs that wants to attack the US. -a state sanctioned organization that wants to attack the US so much that they don't care about nuclear retaliation. - a state sanctioned organization that wants to attack the US, doesn't care about nuclear retaliation. that wants to play the long game exploding a nuclear bomb high in the atmosphere instead of targeting a city such at NYNY or DC. It's so remote, that it is pointless to even consider it. All that said, if somehow the electricity is off for 6 months, it would be as bad as others have stated

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Or the sun just say frick y’all baws